Coach Pop On Kobe: "All My Kobe Memories Are When He Beat Us. They're Not Very Fun."

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Yes that was such a powerhouse cast Duncan had to work with. You just said Kobe wasn't even 60% against the Mavs (which is complete bullshyt, but we'll ignore that) and you're ignoring the fact that Manu was a corpse out there for that series, with an ankle ligament that showed up swollen 5 times its regular size on an MRI to the point where he could barely get a shoe on, was in a walking boot as soon as the series was over and had offseason surgery on it.

A normal man wouldn't have been on the court. Or did you really think Sasha Vujecic locked him up? :mjlol:

What an explosive, athletic offense Duncan had. Michael Finley in his mid 30's. Brent Barry in his late 30's. Jacques Vaughn. Ian Mahinmi. Matt Bonner. Robert Horry in his late 30's. Bruce Bowen. Fabricio Oberto. Washed up Damon Stoudemire. :scust: That was one of the most :flabbynsick: unathletic teams ever assembled outside of the big 3 (big 2 in the WCFs because Manu was a shell)...and they still got to the WCFs. They had Ime Udoka on Kobe. :dead:

Man get the fukk outta here. In '11, Kobe was playing through bad knees and ankles that required off season surgery, hence the trip to Germany in the off season.

And in '08, Kobe was on a team that had not one, but two starters out with injury, so don't come whining to me about Spurs injuries when the Lakers were worse off than the Spurs in that department. The Lakers were also inexperienced during that run with Kobe and Fisher being the only two players on the team that had ever been past the first round(Odom made it to the 2nd round in '04).

So, the Spurs were more experienced, battle-tested, and, according to you Spurs fans who swear Pop is better than Phil, better coached. Duncan had an all-star backcourt, great perimeter defender, and better shooters. Kobe had Vladimir Radmanovic and Luke Walton as his SF's, Rodney Turiaf playing Center minutes, and an unproductive Pau Gasol who played even worse in that series than he did vs the Celtics. Where was this great Laker athleticism?

Duncan had the better overall team and should've won that series, but he was outplayed, especially in the clutch, by Kobe Bryant which is what typically happened whenever they faced each other in the playoffs. There is a reason his team had two separate 20 point leads in that series and blew them both. One player(Kobe) was dominant when it mattered most, the other player(Duncan) couldn't match him. Symbolic of their careers.
 

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The difference is obviously in the talent on the teams. Also, there's a larger sample size with Kobe versus Duncan's squads. The 08 series was the most even their two teams have ever been and Kobe completely outclassed Duncan. Unfortunately, the Lakers fell apart around Kobe a few years later and the Spurs got stronger around Duncan. Duncan's teams held 4th quarter leads throughout that series and Kobe was literally the difference maker. The role players on both teams played poorly.

You mean 2003 as far as the most even the teams had ever been (and that was arguably Duncan's worst supporting cast of his title teams). Who outclassed who?



In 08, the Spurs were running on fumes after going 7 against NO, the plane issue and quick scheduling turnaround. Not to mention getting Crawforded again...

There should be an even larger sample size, but Kobe hasn't given Duncan the chance to even up the series numbers since he hasn't seen a playoff game since 2012.

Fact of the matter is the Lakers always surrounded Kobe with more firepower. The Spurs just got lucky that they hit on their draft picks. You can't always get a Karl Malone or Gary Payton to sign for the minimum, or get your former Laker legend to gift-wrap an allstar big man to your team for :mjpls:'s mental midget, a shooter who couldn't shoot correctly :snoop: and the fat younger brother. Kobe's teams have always had the talent edge. That's why focusing on the playoff record doesn't make sense, because then the logic of Nash>Kobe and Dirk>Kobe has merit.

Now when talking individual accolades, Duncan still has Kobe 2-1 on MVPs and 3-2 on Finals MVPs.
 
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