Coli producers: Is it easier to make a beat when a rapper provides the lyrics and concept first?

[Dzali OG]

Curious as to if it's easier to provide the perfect beat when the rapper provides you with the song, name, and direction, for you to provide the perfect beat?

 

[clanarchy]

Personally i prefer to be free to create the beats first. Sometimes when ive had requests for particular themes ive struggled. Especially trying to coordinate tracks over emails and shyt.
When im free to do what i want the beats just come out better to me..
Some idea collabs with @LauderdaleBoss and @Darkstarz Records come out real nice though...

 

[Dzali OG]

Personally i prefer to be free to create the beats first. Sometimes when ive had requests for particular themes ive struggled. Especially trying to coordinate tracks over emails and shyt.
When im free to do what i want the beats just come out better to me..
Some idea collabs with @LauderdaleBoss and @Darkstarz Records come out real nice though...

Ok maybe trying to tailor a beat to a exact request is difficult, actually I know it is, but what about knowing the general direction?

Like say I request a beat suitable for a thugged but conscious, religious/church song. I would think that would be doable? Like create a bassline and find a churchy sample even.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

As a rapper I always write to a beat so I'd say it's the other way around, it's easier to make a song when the rhythm is in place

 

[mortuus est]

i think it depends on you tbh, anyone can give you an idea to help direct you but that depends on you

just make a batch of beats and send em off to the rappers unless youre in the studio with them

 

[clanarchy]

Yeah, given a general direction I would make up 2-3 beat choices for a particular theme and would expect to get it right on one of them. I only get a couple of hours a week on beats, so unless im getting paid for it, I won't invest to much time in an idea that doesn't grab me.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Good thread.


For the above song (which is a storytelling song) I had the concept first and already picked out the sample (Bayonetta video game ps3)

the big UK homie @clanarchy is one of the few cats talented enough to pull it off, was instructed on what parts of the sample to use (it had to have a build up during the verses and then get epic for the chorus)

He damn near had my vision on the first attempt. He nailed it on the 2nd attempt and pretty much just had to do some tweaks to it before I wrote the actual song. Once it got recorded, he added the extra sound effects while mixing it and shyt to really bring life to the track.

Some producers will just connect with you better than others. Usually I just vibe with the beat they sent me and choose what topic is best suited for it.

 

[clanarchy]

Good thread.


For the above song (which is a storytelling song) I had the concept first and already picked out the sample (Bayonetta video game ps3)

the big UK homie @clanarchy is one of the few cats talented enough to pull it off, was instructed on what parts of the sample to use (it had to have a build up during the verses and then get epic for the chorus)

He damn near had my vision on the first attempt. He nailed it on the 2nd attempt and pretty much just had to do some tweaks to it before I wrote the actual song. Once it got recorded, he added the extra sound effects while mixing it and shyt to really bring life to the track.

Some producers will just connect with you better than others. Usually I just vibe with the beat they sent me and choose what topic is best suited for it.

Good example for the thread, yo can't believe this had to be a couple of years back already....but yeah shyt just clicked on this one.
Blissful Dispair is another good example from the same album...
LINK:
The Sample Kings

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Good example for the thread, yo can't believe this had to be a couple of years back already....but yeah shyt just clicked on this one.
Blissful Dispair is another good example from the same album...
LINK:
The Sample Kings

Yup, Blissful Despair is that shyt.

Yeah fam, shyt just clicked for a lot of our collabs.

 

[Dzali OG]

Good thread.


For the above song (which is a storytelling song) I had the concept first and already picked out the sample (Bayonetta video game ps3)

the big UK homie @clanarchy is one of the few cats talented enough to pull it off, was instructed on what parts of the sample to use (it had to have a build up during the verses and then get epic for the chorus)

He damn near had my vision on the first attempt. He nailed it on the 2nd attempt and pretty much just had to do some tweaks to it before I wrote the actual song. Once it got recorded, he added the extra sound effects while mixing it and shyt to really bring life to the track.

Some producers will just connect with you better than others. Usually I just vibe with the beat they sent me and choose what topic is best suited for it.

You still have that beat...I can really use it .

Going go ahead and put out a full album before I die...

Will be the greatest hip hop album ever. Too bad I didn't do this in my buckin days.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

You still have that beat...I can really use it .

Going go ahead and put out a full album before I die...

Will be the greatest hip hop album ever. Too bad I didn't do this in my buckin days.

You gotta discover your own sauce fam. It always tastes better when you do.

 

[puppetmaster]

It's best to give the producer a fishbone of a theme/idea then let them go cook.



Too much input ruins the sauce

 

[Taadow]

Absolutely not.

I can make beats all day without input from nobody. It's hard to get somebody to ride 'em.

 

[Dzali OG]

You gotta discover your own sauce fam. It always tastes better when you do.

You being selfish fam

 

[Dzali OG]

It's best to give the producer a fishbone of a theme/idea then let them go cook.



Too much input ruins the sauce

Yeah that's all it should require.