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How DACA get a thread but not this? :martin:

Supreme Court to hear arguments in major race discrimination case against Comcast on Wednesday

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  • A 19th-century civil rights law will be put to the test at the Supreme Court on Wednesday during oral arguments over a $20 billion racial discrimination suit filed against Comcast.
  • A black-owned production company run by former comedian Byron Allen alleges that Comcast refused to carry its channels while offering contracts to lesser-known white-owned channels.
  • Comcast argues that Allen should have to prove that absent discrimination he would have secured the contract.
  • Kristen Clarke, president of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said in a statement that the case is “the most important civil rights case that will be heard by the Supreme Court this term.”



WASHINGTON — A pivotal 19th-century civil rights law will be put to the test at the Supreme Court on Wednesday during oral arguments over a $20 billion racial discrimination suit filed against cable giant Comcast.

The case was brought by a black-owned production company run by former comedian Byron Allen. The company, Entertainment Studios, alleges that Comcast refused to carry its channels, including Cars.TV and Pets.TV, while offering contracts to lesser-known white-owned channels.

That runs afoul of the Civil Rights Act of 1866, Entertainment Studios argues. The post-Civil War law ensures that all Americans have the same right “to make and enforce contracts” regardless of race.

Entertainment Studios hasn’t proven that Comcast was motivated by Allen’s race, and Comcast, which owns CNBC parent NBCUniversal, denies it. Even if the Supreme Court allows Allen to pursue his discrimination claim, proving discrimination before the lower courts could be a high bar.

But the legal question before the justices is how high the bar should be — whether Allen has to prove that race was the sole factor or one factor among others. Comcast argues that Allen should have to prove that absent discrimination he would have secured the contract. In contrast, Allen argues that he should be allowed to sue even if race was only one factor.

Civil rights groups are paying close attention to the case. Kristen Clarke, president of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, said in a statement that the case is “the most important civil rights case that will be heard by the Supreme Court this term.”

“If successful, Comcast’s arguments would, in many cases, impose an impossible pleading burden on victims of discrimination and prevent them from vindicating meritorious claims,” Kristen Johnson, an attorney for the NAACP, wrote in a friend-of-the-court brief to the justices.

Comcast won its case before District Judge Terry Hatter, who dismissed Allen’s complaint. But on appeal, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the decision.

A three-judge panel of the court wrote that it was “plausible” that Entertainment Studios “experienced disparate treatment due to race and was thus denied the same right to contract as a white-owned company.”

A spokesperson for Comcast said in a statement that the company was not trying to roll back civil rights protections.

“We have been forced to appeal this decision to defend against a meritless $20 billion claim, but have kept our argument narrowly focused,” the spokesperson said. “This case cannot detract from Comcast’s strong civil rights and diversity record or our outstanding record of supporting and fostering diverse programming from African-American-owned channels.”

Battles in the past
Comcast has faced scrutiny in the past over diversity. Amid criticism in Congress led by Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., the company agreed to carry four black-owned channels as part of its agreement nearly a decade ago to merge with NBCUniversal.

It later launched channels such as Magic Johnson’s “Aspire” and “Revolt TV,” founded by rapper Sean “Diddy” Combs.

But Entertainment Studios said that those moves were effectively a sham. The company “chose to launch brand new networks that are predominately white-owned with African American figureheads” rather than carrying its channels, Entertainment Studios wrote in a brief.

But, in court papers, attorneys for Comcast balked at the distinction. The company said it carries other black-owned channels, including one “100% African-American-owned network,” a racial category it said Entertainment Studios “invented for this lawsuit.”

Comcast wrote that racial discrimination is a serious problem, but denied that a win for Allen at the Supreme Court would help solve it.

“Instead, it will permit frivolous suits such as this one to proceed in the federal courts and open the doors to burdensome discovery demands by plaintiffs who have suffered no deprivation on account of their race, while delaying justice for citizens with meritorious grievances,” the company wrote.

Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the University of California at Berkeley’s law school, who is representing Entertainment Studios before the top court, said in an email that the case was ultimately about “how easy it will be to sue under this law.”

And he pointed to the support for Allen’s case from civil rights groups such as the NAACP.

“On the one side is Comcast, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Trump administration seeking to restrict such suits,” he wrote. “On the other side, Byron Allen is supported by about 35 civil rights groups that signed on to friend of the Court briefs on his behalf, as did several groups of law professors seeking to allow such suits to go forward.”
 
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Opinion | This Comcast Supreme Court case may make racial discrimination harder to fight

Comcast's Supreme Court battle with Byron Allen may make racial discrimination harder to fight
The case isn't just about the cable company and one media mogul. The results of the company's legal strategy could be devastating to civil rights law.

The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments Wednesday in a staggering corporate case that could make it nearly impossible for ordinary people who face certain kinds of racial discrimination to ever get their day in court.

And yet, most people don’t even know that their rights are on the docket — or that the nation’s second-largest cable company is behind it.

The allegation at the heart of the case is simple: One of the nation’s largest Black-owned media companies, Entertainment Studios Network, claims that Comcast Corporation, the second largest telecommunications conglomerate in the world (and NBC News’ parent company), refused to carry its channels because it is Black-owned. (According to the brief filed by the plaintiffs with the Supreme Court in September, a Comcast executive told ESN that they refused to carry its stations because “We’re not trying to create any more Bob Johnsons,” a reference to the African American multimillionaire founder of BET, which was sold to Comcast competitor Viacom, and ESN’s owner Byron Allen.)

Thereafter, the National Association of African American-Owned Media, which represents ESN, sued Comcast in federal court, seeking $20 billion. Comcast counters that its viewers don’t want ESN programming and, in public, has claimed that ESN is a litigious bully that sues to get fees from companies like Comcast. The case has yet to go to discovery, let alone trial; the question before the Supreme Court is whether it ever will.

The civil rights community has condemned Comcast loudly and publicly, the Congressional Black Caucus has expressed concerns about the potential outcome of the case, and Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., has even called for Comcast’s breakup over its actions in the case.

But just how important is this Supreme Court case for anyone not at Comcast or ESN? Very.

Comcast is being sued under the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which Congress passed in order to overturn the monstrous slavery-era Dred Scott decision. In that case, the Supreme Court had said that former slaves and even their children born free were not “citizens” and could not sue in court for their freedom. Congress’ first post-Civil War law was designed to overturn that opinion, establishing protections of citizenship to anyone, regardless of race, born in any state of the United States. It was an incomplete law, but it explicitly protects against racial discrimination in contracts, and provides anyone the right to sue and be heard in court.

The question here, then, is how much discrimination is enough to give someone their day in court. Comcast argues that the plaintiffs should have to show that race was the only motivating factor in its decision in order to go on with their case, and that they can’t; the plaintiffs say that they should only have to show that race was at least part of the motivating factor in refusing to carry ESN’s channels and they can.

In practical terms, then, Comcast is fighting to deny the National Association of African American-Owned Media the opportunity to question witnesses and get documents that would give the court enough evidence to decide if plaintiffs can go to trial.

Comcast may well be able to prove that it did not discriminate against ESN as a Black-owned business; we don’t know. The concern is that Comcast’s success in the case, which would make for a new interpretation of the law, would make it very hard for even ordinary people to have a full court hearing on race discrimination in contracting. As Kristen Clarke, the head of the Lawyer’s Committee for Civil Rights, has said, “It’s much bigger than Comcast and Allen. This is about real victims of discrimination who should not face additional hurdles in getting the opportunity to be heard in court.”

Comcast filed a motion to dismiss the complaint — a normal step in this type of litigation — but argued that the plaintiffs had to show that there was absolutely no other nondiscriminatory reason that Comcast refused to carry ESN programming. The trial judge, after allowing ESN to amend it, called the complaint “implausible” and tossed it.

On appeal, the Ninth Circuit said that it was enough at this stage in the process for ESN to show race as a motive, even if they could not (yet) show it was the only motive. It did not say “Comcast, you lose”; it said, “Comcast, you litigate.”

Comcast, though, asked the Supreme Court to review the decision. And, if the court agrees that plaintiffs alleging discrimination have to show from the outset of a case that race was the sole motivating factor in a contractual dispute, it will be very difficult to almost anyone to even get to ask defendants for witnesses and documents that shed light on their motives so that judges or juries can eventually decide. As the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund said in its “friend of the court brief” supporting the plaintiffs, “If successful, Comcast’s arguments would, in many cases, impose an impossible pleading burden on victims of discrimination and prevent them from vindicating meritorious claims.”

If this were simply a matter of two companies arguing about whether or not there was race discrimination, there wouldn’t be this sort of outrage at Comcast. But what Comcast wants to do is avoid defending its actions in court by changing the law in a way that would make it more difficult for any person of color or minority-owned business to use the nation’s oldest civil rights law.

Comcast has every right to defend itself — and has vast resources at its disposal to do so. Ordinary people who have been maltreated could well pay the price for its refusal.
 

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Allen might have a flawed strategy in his argument. . . He should go with the fact that Comcast refuses to host black owned networks that seek to push socially positive black imagery. . . That's where the truly underhanded racism lies.

Allen has stated many times that he seeks to change the imagery given to black folks by most media.
 
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Update as the Supreme Court looks at the case today 11/13/2019

Supreme Court Justices Parse Legal Tests for Byron Allen Racial Discrimination Case Against Comcast
Supreme Court Justices Parse Legal Tests for Byron Allen Racial Discrimination Case Against Comcast


WASHINGTON, D.C. — Supreme Court justices grilled lawyers for Byron Allen and Comcast on Wednesday over the right legal standard for evaluating the racial discrimination claims made in Allen’s 2015 lawsuit against the cable giant.

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, Neil Gorsuch, Stephen Breyer, Samuel Alito and Brett Kavanaugh engaged in spirited questioning of both sides. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was the only one of the nine justices not in attendance. Roberts said at the start of the hourlong hearing that Ginsburg was “indisposed due to illness” but would still participate in the decision by considering the briefs and reading the transcripts.

The justices spent a good deal of time quizzing the lawyers about the distinction between the two key tests for the case at issue before the court. Allen’s team, led by Erwin Chemerinsky, argued that the plaintiff should only have to demonstrate a plausible case that race was a “motivating factor” in Comcast’s decision to not to carry the group of cable channels owned by Allen’s Entertainment Studios for the case to move forward. Comcast argued that legal precedent demands that Allen should have to prove that the case meets a stronger “but-for” test, meaning that but for the fact of racial animus, Comcast would have done a carriage deal with Entertainment Studios.

There was also discussion of which side would have the burden of proving that racial animus was the but-for cause of Comcast not doing business with Allen. The concept of burden-shifting being applied to the case would mean that Comcast could present race-neutral reasons for its business decisions, to which Allen would then have to demonstrate that those were a pretext for discrimination.

At times the justices seemed unconvinced that the distinction between motivating factor and but-for was significant given that key facts would ultimately have to be proven at trial. Roberts’ first question for Comcast attorney Miguel Estrada was whether “the distinction you’re fighting is somewhat academic.”

Breyer was even more blunt. “What’s the difference,” he said. “Who cares whether (plaintiffs) say it is a motivating factor or whether they say it is a but-for,” at the complaint stage, he said. Chemerinsky’s response was that it is a much higher burden of proof on the plaintiff to commit to demonstrating but-for causation. At the same time, several justices asserted that for a plaintiff to prevail, a but-for test would likely have to be met by the end of trial.

“In fact, they are going to have to prove but-for causation at the end. And the question here is really what they have to allege now,” Kagan said. Later in the hearing she questioned whether the distinction needed to be made at the pleading stage.

“why do you have to label that anything? Why do you just have to say those are the kinds of facts that at this stage of the litigation allow the — the complaint to go forward,” Kagan asked Chemerinsky.


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Allen’s case was dismissed three times by lower U.S. district courts, but that was reversed on appeal by the Ninth Circuit last year. The appellate court ruled that for the case to proceed, Allen only had to demonstrate plausible claims that race was a motivating factor in Comcast’s decision.

Kavanaugh suggested that one plausible remedy would be for the high court to weigh in on the appropriate test, vacate the Ninth Ciruit’s appellate decision and send the case back for further proceedings.

Estrada, of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, opened by arguing that the “but-for” causation standard has been a bedrock of the 1866 civil rights law invoked in Allen’s case — a federal statute known as Section 1981 that ensures that all American should have “the same right to make and enforce contracts as is enjoyed by white citizens.”

Chemerinsky pressed the point that if race in even a motivating factor for a company’s decision-making, then Section 1981 has been violated because the plaintiff would not have had the same rights in the process of contracting as a white person. Sotomayor keyed in on that distinction, going to so far as to read the definition of “making” from the dictionary as “The process of being made.”

Sotomayor invoked claims from Allen’s complaint that Entertainment Studios was instructed by Comcast executives to take certain steps that would make the channels more desirable to the cable operator, but to no avail.

“How can it be that if you’re treated differently because of your race in the formation of the contract, but you’re denied the contract for another reason, that other people may have been denied for, but you were treated differently, more burdens were put on you, more expenses were put on you, and at the end, they say, eh, you know, we really would never take on anyone like you with your business because, and it’s true, nobody with your business plan has been accepted before, but you’ve been run around in circles and made to expend a lot of money — why is that not actionable,” Sotomayor said. “As long as you have enough in your complaint to show racial animus and a reasonable inference can be drawn that that’s a but-for cause, I think a plaintiff has done more than enough” for the case to proceed.

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Gorsuch and Chemerinsky had a testy exchange toward the end of the hearing as the sides parsed the significance of the court affirming the motivating factor standard even if the but-for cause would have to be proved at trial. Gorsuch and Kagan argued that as a matter of law, the Ninth Circuit appellate decision would have to be overturned because it asserts that motivating factor is enough for a plaintiff to prevail — something that Chemerinsky had agreed with.

The justices pushed Chemerinsky on the question of whether he was pushing for the motivating factor test in order to keep legal options open for the case at trial, including how to tackle the question of where the burden of proof would fall.

Gorsuch pushed Chemerinsky to give a yes or no answer to whether the Ninth Circuit decision needed to be overturned. When Chemerinsky tap-danced around the issue, Gorsuch cut him off curtly: “I’ve got it. We’re not going to get an answer,” he said.

Kavanaugh questioned Chemerinsky on his argument that the but-for test should not be a requirement for the case.

“These cases, as you know, are not usually thrown out at the motion to dismiss stage and usually you have the ultimate legal test in mind, and you just look at the facts alleged in the complaint to see, as Justice Sotomayor rightly said, whether there’s a way you could plausibly infer from those facts that it would ultimately meet the test for (Section) 1981 or for discrimination,” Kavanaugh said.

Several justices parried with Estrada on the question of how much but-for causation is baked into Section 1981 and other civil rights laws. Estrada pointed out that Congress has made changes to other civil rights laws to specify a “motivating factor” standard for discrimination laws but did not amend Section 1981 to do so, even though Congress has made other changes to Section 1981.

Estrada argued that to accept motivating factor for Section 1981 would “completely displace the carefully tailored regime” established by Congress in Title 7 of the 1964 Civil Rights Act that prohibits employers from discriminating on the basis of sex, race, national origin and religion.

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Toward the end of the hearing, Alito raised the question of whether the lower court dismissals of the case were influenced by allegations in the complaint that Comcast “entered in to a racist conspiracy” with the NAACP, the Urban League and others as a means of covering up discriminatory practices.

Roberts sounded incredulous when referencing those claims in discussion how lower courts evaluated the plausibility of Allen’s complaint in its totality. While there are allegations in the original 2015 complaint that plausibly suggest that race may have been a factor in Comcast’s dealings with Allen, Roberts questioned whether it is “also enough to allege that the NAACP and the National Urban League and the other individuals were in on the conspiracy?”

Chemerinsky maintained that the detail about Comcast’s dealings with NAACP, Rev. Al Sharpton and others were removed from amended versions of the complaint that were also subsequently dismissed. In his closing three-minute rebuttal to Chemerinsky, Estrada cited references to that strain of the argument that remain in the most rcent version of the complaint.

Estrada punctuated his point that the extraordinary conspiracy allegations undercut Allen’s overall case. “If in any planet that satisfies the plausibility standard on (past precedent for such cases), the civil justice system has real problems,” Estrada said.
 

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Chemerinsky is one of the best there is, but the argument is weak. And considering the history of the "Motivating Factor" vs. "But For" tests in other parts of the law, the hype over this case is not warranted. The disparity between the standards is not drastic enough to shake the foundations of civil rights law. I fux with Tone, but he over hyped the implications of this case.
 

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The way that article explains it seems that Allen's lawyer screwed up the case. Makes it sound like Allen is gonna lose. :francis:
Not true. you have to understand this is law/legalities. whatever people think of the law being black and white. it isnt. it is almost never cut and dry.

Law- dont run run a stop sign?

lawyer for the defendant- but my client couldnt see the stop sign
lawyer for the law(plaintiff) - are you saying your client shouldnt be able to drive because he/she could not see X amt of feet in front of them?

lawyer for the defendant -No, my client couldnt see because there was a tree in the way.

lawyer for the law(plaintiff) - that doesnt matter, there's a stop sign on that corner. it has been there for 30 years. whether or not you know every law doesnt make it right to break said law.

lawyer for the defendant - you can't hold my client accountable for the unknown. if that were the case, you could make up any law you wanted and it would hold all people accountable without any knowledge of said law or any common sense applied to it. ......................

on and on and on.

aint nothing cut and dry in law.

what they were TRYING to say is that they would have to overturn the win they had in the other court because that court they believe over step their bounds to some degree. meaning what they were ruling on is further down in the process. because they didnt just say YES the case should be able to be litigated in court. They also basically said Byron should win the case based on the fact that they have found any level of racism as a reason/cause from the comcast side.

in other words ...slow down lower court...you cant litigate the trial before it happens.

But watch these conservative judges. they aint slick. they are saying that because then if that shoot down that previous courts ruling. it will also take it back to the original ruling pre original byon appeal, which is where he lost to comcast. because those courts said, you cant even bring this to trial without having that But-for or i call it 100% proof that the #1 reason they didnt rock with you was due to race.

Basically byron or someone would have to have a smoking gun, an email, text messages, video footage, statements made, from comcast people that says " I dont eff with N words... therefore I aint effing with Byron allen. end of story, no contract to allen because he's a N word."

If it aint that cut and dry. then these fools will try to wiggle out of it and say but we didnt work with him because we didnt like his product or some other bs like that.
The appeals court that byron won in, said nope, thats nonsense. because we know you will use that as a loophole to discriminate against any minorities you want (blacks, browns, asians, native americans, etc, white woman, older men/women, LGBT.......xyz). the truth is, if you have any racist reasons why you dont rock with someone. thats all thats needed to say it was racial motivations that caused you not to deal with this minority person(s). psychologically its true, if any part of your thought is due to race. than you already know the other thoughts were possible clouded by your racial bias. there's no way for us to know once that happens. which is why you need that precedent set at any part of the reason being racial or discriminatory for bs reasons. then it can go to court and if they can prove it based on this same critiera, they will win. so basically if it can be proven that it can get to court, then unless the other people prove this person is lying. they will win the trial. This is what the supreme court conservatives dont like. that other lower court is giving byron a win before he even goes to trial.
 
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