Damn at Japan not surrendering after the first bomb in world war2

[Canon]

just imagine this amount of people dying so quickly brehs

Hiroshima:

• 20,000+ soldiers killed
• 70,000–146,000 civilians killed

Nagasaki:

• 39,000–80,000 killed

Total: 129,000–246,000+ killed

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That story is pure . You won't find a single receipt from the time of either side making such a ridiculous claim.
So you really think that on the two days in between, japanese atomic physicists got notified of the bombing, traveled across a war-torn country to study the bomb site, determined the size of the bomb and its efficiency, then calculated how much uranium it took, calculated how much stores the USA had, made a firm prediction on how much more the USA had, communicated that to the highest levels of the Japanese government, who then listened to them and made their surrender decisions accordingly?

And they did all this in response to a completely unprecedented event. In a war-torn country in fukking 1945.

first of all come down, acting like you were at fukking Iwo Jima. WWII stans, jesus.
The point was, atomic physicists at the time didn't think it would be possible to make two bombs, not that they did all this CSI work.
Ryokichi Sagane was the atomic physicist in Japan who confirmed it was an atomic blast
Secondly, "So you really think that on the two days in between, japanese atomic physicists got notified of the bombing"

you want fukking receipts?

here's the letter that Sagane was sent by three physcists in the US that he had studied with warning him about the bomb. It arrived a month too late, but the men got together to sign the letter after the war. Even if that isn't proof that Japan knew about America's nuclear capabilities (which would probably become part of the decision making process when surrendering) it's interesting bit of WWII history

So I detail an 8-step process that obviously didn't happen in that two-day span, and your comeback and "fukking receipt" is a letter...that was delivered six weeks later and doesn't show even the first step of your claim?



First off, Sagane was NOT the physicist who confirmed to the Japanese that the Hiroshima bomb was atomic. Yoshio Nishina first came to that conclusion being flown over the bomb site on the 8th, and Bunsabe Arakatsu confirmed it on the 10th. Thus all they had managed to figure out by the time the 2nd bomb was dropped was, "Uh, that first one appears to have been an atomic bomb", and even that was only halfway done. (Deborah Shapley, "Nuclear Weapons History: Japan's Wartime Bomb Projects Revealed", Science, Jan 13, 1978, pg. 155)

Second, Sagane knew nothing about the American bomb program. He had been in the States in 1938, before the Manhattan Project was even a thought. Three US scientists who didn't think the Japanese government would respect the bombs sent a desperate letter to the one Japanese scientist that they had a connection to. The Japanese military found the letter, but didn't even deliver the letter to him until 6 weeks later. (Daniel Greenburg, The Politics of Pure Science, pg 228)

That's a great "receipt" you got there that Japanese scientists' estimates of how many bombs the US could make are what convinced the Japanese emperor not to surrender before the 2nd bomb.

The fact that you took the time to quote a letter that was that completely irrelevant to the claim you had made shows exactly how much evidence you had for your claim.

 

[GPBear]

So I detail an 8-step process that obviously didn't happen in that two-day span, and your comeback and "fukking receipt" is a letter...that was delivered six weeks later and doesn't show even the first step of your claim?



First off, Sagane was NOT the physicist who confirmed to the Japanese that the Hiroshima bomb was atomic. Yoshio Nishina first came to that conclusion being flown over the bomb site on the 8th, and Bunsabe Arakatsu confirmed it on the 10th. Thus all they had managed to figure out by the time the 2nd bomb was dropped was, "Uh, that first one appears to have been an atomic bomb", and even that was only halfway done. (Deborah Shapley, "Nuclear Weapons History: Japan's Wartime Bomb Projects Revealed", Science, Jan 13, 1978, pg. 155)

Second, Sagane knew nothing about the American bomb program. He had been in the States in 1938, before the Manhattan Project was even a thought. Three US scientists who didn't think the Japanese government would respect the bombs sent a desperate letter to the one Japanese scientist that they had a connection to. The Japanese military found the letter, but didn't even deliver the letter to him until 6 weeks later. (Daniel Greenburg, The Politics of Pure Science, pg 228)

That's a great "receipt" you got there that Japanese scientists' estimates of how many bombs the US could make are what convinced the Japanese emperor not to surrender before the 2nd bomb.

The fact that you took the time to quote a letter that was that completely irrelevant to the claim you had made shows exactly how much evidence you had for your claim.

you said there was no way in that 2 day span it could have been done

I showed you a letter dropped within that two day span that could have done it


that's all I'm saying, enough with your fukking rants. You're wrong


"So you really think that on the two days in between...in response to a completely unprecedented event"

unprecedented, but as I said, it's not like there weren't atomic scientists in japan.

 

[Da_Eggman]

He acts like the US didn't do experiment's on black slaves and indians. He acts like they don't do war crimes like waterboarding and rape. Act like they didn't take innocent people from Africa to force them to build what the US is today lol.

we are discussing ww2 tho

 

[Professor Emeritus]

you said there was no way in that 2 day span it could have been done

I showed you a letter dropped within that two day span that could have done it


that's all I'm saying, enough with your fukking rants. You're wrong

I'm wondering if you've forgotten what you said. This was your claim:

but the reason they didn't surrender was because the first bomb was like 11 pounds of uranium, and it wasn't very efficient, japanese atomic physicists at the time reasoned that America couldn't produce another bomb.

That letter doesn't have shyt to do with your claim. Nothing. You claimed the Japanese knew how much uranium was in the bomb, knew how efficient it was, knew how much capacity the US had to produce another one, decided they didn't have any more, told the government this, and the government chose to believe them, and THAT'S why they didn't surrender.

And your evidence for this is...a letter that wasn't delivered, that provides support for NONE of those claims.

What do you think that letter had to do with your claim that Japanese atomic physicists reasoned that America couldn't build another bomb? What evidence did you come up with that made you claim that THAT was the reason the Japanese government failed to surrender?

You have nothing.

Your story was as pure as it gets. Either you made it up, or you read someone else who did.

 

[YeLovesBoston]

They didn't give a fukk about there people

Infact all the villains in ww2 didn't give a shyt about there people and most ran away or killed themselves when it came time to stand up

there were no real heroes in WW2 except for maybe Britain but I'm just unaware of what they were doing at that time. (there was the Treaty of Versailles ordeal but)

The U.S. put Japanese citizens in camps against their will and Russia didn't join the Allies until Germany turned on them.

But fukk Cacs

 

[YeLovesBoston]

shyt I thought someone else bumped this thread so I just took the opportunity

this kind of awkward

 

[Da_Eggman]

there were no real heroes in WW2 except for maybe Britain but I'm just unaware of what they were doing at that time. (there was the Treaty of Versailles ordeal but)

The U.S. put Japanese citizens in camps against their will and Russia didn't join the Allies until Germany turned on them.

But fukk Cacs

Britain did a bunch of fukk of shyt to like bomb innocents but war is fukked up

 

[dish lowry]

theres a conspiracy theory that those bombs were dropped mostly as a warning to russia.

but japan's war crimes were extremely brutal Unit 731 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , and they were aggressively capturing land southward all the way down to australia, while germany controlled most of europe. scary times. hitler reportedly liked watching newsreels of different cities being burned down & new york was his main target