did Rondo quit tonght?

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I know its fun to just hate Rondo, but look at his playoff track record. He lives for the big stage and has always had his best performances when the proverbial lights are on. To play like that, for all of 10 minutes, shows you how far gone he is in Dallas. Forget the big three, he was killing the Heat in 2012. That overtime game, I think it was like Game 2 where he scored all 12 of Boston's points in overtime, had a line of like 44/10/8 and played every second of a 53-minute game. It's crazy to watch that game last night and think its the same player.

Because they Heat weren't guarding him for most of that series, combined with the fact he got hot - that's why. He's still the same player, he just isn't allowed to dominate the ball like he did and stat stuff.

that was the game that put rondo in that top pg category. all that he cant shoot went out window. we all know he isnt a 3 point shooter. but that top of the key jumper was money. rondo is not a catch and shoot player. thats what they basically made jason kidd.

missed shot. rondo gets rebound. doc rivers- go rondo. do your thang. FREEDOM.

missed shot- rondo gets rebound. rick carlisle- rondo stop slow down. let me call a play. PRISONER

So one series where the team gave him a huge shooting cushion put him as a top PG? Yeah, ok.

missed shot. rondo gets rebound. doc rivers- go rondo. do your thang. FREEDOM.

missed shot- rondo gets rebound. rick carlisle- rondo stop slow down. let me call a play. PRISONER

This is HILARIOUS for so many different reasons.

i) That freedom that Doc gave Rondo turned the Celtics into one of the worst offenses in the league.
ii) Carlisle wouldn't tell Rondo to slow down, Rondo would tell Rondo to slow down so he can pound the ball - the Mavs were never a slow paced team before they traded for him - the ball constantly moved and the players constantly moved.
iii) Carlisle had to change his offense because everyone not named Tyson Chandler could shoot the ball - that's why it so was effective - now you put a player like Rondo in that system and it alters the very design of how they operate.
iv) Carlisle is one of the very few coaches that gives all his players FREEDOM - you just need to be able to shoot

Carlisle is ruining this dude, if I was Rondo I wouldn't play either. Did you guys hear Shaq and Kenny talking about it?

8 second call Chuck was talking shyt about... yet you see Rondo and 6 of them seconds hes looking at Carlisle for a damn play call??? Let the man call some of his own plays, hes your PG... Carlisle needs to put on shorts and get out there. How you going to call 100% of the offensive calls to your PG?

When they get bounced (soon) Carlisle will be in hot water how he treated Rondo and all of the play calling, Rondo will be somewhere else and gets more freedom and play fine. You cant expect your creative PG to be productive if you need to call every single offensive play. Even Kenny was saying he called 75% of the plays on the court...

Mavs won a title through his coaching, Mavs had the #1 offense through his coaching. Rondo hasn't done shyt when he's run a team except stat pad and lead them to inefficient offenses because of it. Why should Carlisle change his system that was the best in the league and give a player that can't run a team for shyt, more freedom?

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Watching Dallas implode like this has been lovely!

 

[Kufismack]

How you quit on something you ain't never start?

 

[ghostwriterx]

You act like Rondo can't make layups.

He's scared to go to the rim because his free throw shooting is embarrassing. He averaged less than 1 free throw attempt per game this year.

 

[Ashyneezz]

Carlisle is a fuuckboy

So the guy pouting in the playoffs getting 8 sec violations with no one guarding him isn't. Carlisle just speaking the truth. Rondo the fuuckboy

 

[meth68]

Because they Heat weren't guarding him for most of that series, combined with the fact he got hot - that's why. He's still the same player, he just isn't allowed to dominate the ball like he did and stat stuff.



So one series where the team gave him a huge shooting cushion put him as a top PG? Yeah, ok.

This is HILARIOUS for so many different reasons.

i) That freedom that Doc gave Rondo turned the Celtics into one of the worst offenses in the league.
ii) Carlisle wouldn't tell Rondo to slow down, Rondo would tell Rondo to slow down so he can pound the ball - the Mavs were never a slow paced team before they traded for him - the ball constantly moved and the players constantly moved.
iii) Carlisle had to change his offense because everyone not named Tyson Chandler could shoot the ball - that's why it so was effective - now you put a player like Rondo in that system and it alters the very design of how they operate.
iv) Carlisle is one of the very few coaches that gives all his players FREEDOM - you just need to be able to shoot




Mavs won a title through his coaching, Mavs had the #1 offense through his coaching. Rondo hasn't done shyt when he's run a team except stat pad and lead them to inefficient offenses because of it. Why should Carlisle change his system that was the best in the league and give a player that can't run a team for shyt, more freedom?

Let me know how well that works out with JJ in there.....

And Rondo led some shytty ass teams in boston when he was padding those stats. He's a very good PG, he hates his coach that is micromanaging him. I know on days when my boss pisses me off my productivity drops, same deal here, difference is they are guaranteed their money so its even easier to say eat a dikk. I am no pro but when Kenny Smith and Shaq are saying the same shyt that hes too controlling and doesnt allow his PG to call any plays, i tend to believe them. Look at the reply of the 8sec violation, he was literally looking at the coach the whole slow ass walk up.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Let me know how well that works out with JJ in there.....

Mavs won a title with JJ being a offensive spark off the bench. He fits this team better than Rondo ever did.

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And Rondo led some shytty ass teams in boston when he was padding those stats

shytty ass teams that had three/two HOFs on it who all were still productive?

He's a very good PG, he hates his coach that is micromanaging him. I know on days when my boss pisses me off my productivity drops, same deal here, difference is they are guaranteed their money so its even easier to say eat a dikk. I am no pro but when Kenny Smith and Shaq are saying the same shyt that hes too controlling and doesnt allow his PG to call any plays, i tend to believe them. Look at the reply of the 8sec violation, he was literally looking at the coach the whole slow ass walk up.

So Carlisle made Rondo walk the ball into the halfcourt? Rondo couldn't run the ball up and then look at Carlisle for a play to call?

Shaq and Kenny don't know what the fukk they're talking about. Carlisle is one of the most open-minded and forward thinking coaches in the league. He doesn't restrict players from dong what they want by running a Totalitarian system. I posted this in another thread -

"The best way to sow such doubt is to act early, before a defense is set. That’s easier coming off a stop, when the Mavs can rebound and push the ball amid the chaos of transition. There is no time for Carlisle to call plays after a Dallas stop, and the coach likes it that way. “We try not to call any plays if we can,” Carlisle says. “We want to be difficult to defend, and the more random we can make it, the more difficult it will be for defenses.”

The Mavericks are not mechanically drilled to fill a certain purpose. Instead, the offense is a self-sufficient machine, with Carlisle acting as the engineer who tinkers with it when it jam

Dallas has certain established routines to get into some of the sets, after which it's all up to the players to penetrate, cut and move the ball as they see fit.

For instance, the Mavs often start possessions in a horns formation, with the two big men occupying the elbows. They set two soft screens for one of the guards, who then flares to the weak-side wing and gets the ball back. After that, your guess is as good as anyone's as to what will develop. Here are a couple of examples:

In the first clip, J.J. Barea hands the ball off to Devin Harris and flares to the left side. Barea briefly ponders using Dirk Nowitzki's pick but swings the ball right back to Harris, who then combines with Brandan Wright on a high pick-and-roll. Harris' rim attack pulls the Chicago Bulls' Pau Gasol into the paint, which gives Nowitzki enough room to drain the jumper when he gets the pass.

Lowe put this type of action into context very well in his column:

Teams have specific rules about which defender draws that help assignment. It is almost always one of the defenders on the weak side, so if Ellis is driving down the right side of the floor, a defender all the way across on the left wing has to dive into the paint and bump Chandler.

The Mavericks specialize in throwing those rules into chaos. They want to confuse you about very basic things: Which side is the weak side?

Everything happens organically and at a frantic pace, which confuses even the most organized defenses.

The second play of the montage is almost identical to the point of the initial penetration. The Bulls do a good job stopping Monta Ellis' drive, but he quickly swings the ball to Jameer Nelson. The Bulls' Derrick Rose closes out hard, which gives Nelson enough time to drive past him and hit an open shooter in the corner once the defense collapses around him.



The Mavs are great at this type of stuff. They twist and turn the knife in their opponent's back until they find the best shot. If the initial action doesn't yield results, there's almost always some kind of an opening elsewhere on the floor. Carlisle deserves credit for spreading such an unselfish mindset across the roster.

 

[T.he I.nformant]

Was once one of my favorite players but he's been so disappointing the past little while. I still think he's super intelligent and very talented but I think he can only thrive in a certain environment where you have some KG-type to rein him in when he gets too loose and teammates who are willing to be patient with him.

 

[meth68]

Mavs won a title with JJ being a offensive spark off the bench. He fits this team better than Rondo ever did.



shytty ass teams that had three/two HOFs on it who all were still productive?



So Carlisle made Rondo walk the ball into the halfcourt? Rondo couldn't run the ball up and then look at Carlisle for a play to call?

Shaq and Kenny don't know what the fukk they're talking about. Carlisle is one of the most open-minded and forward thinking coaches in the league. He doesn't restrict players from dong what they want by running a Totalitarian system. I posted this in another thread -

So I guess we are done here then? I will get TNT on the phone, hopefully they save @Gil Scott-Heroin a seat lol

 

[jwinfield]

So I guess we are done here then? I will get TNT on the phone, hopefully they save @Gil Scott-Heroin a seat lol

So are you saying that a pg can't receive the play call from a coach without getting an 8 second violation?

I'm pretty sure Carlisle isn't the only coach calling plays, yet there doesn't seem to be a bunch of pgs getting 8 second violations.

 

[Kang Deezy]

tagging @KevJ

just want to make sure we get his thoughts on this when he signs on

Spoiler

It's a combination of a lot of things

With the direction the league has gone in(pace and space, 3s and layups) rondo can only fit in a very particular type of system and Dallas apparently isn't it

It's also the ACL injury clearly changed him along with his free throw shooting being so bad he won't even drive to the basket

But let's not forget he's been a top point guard for years, did things other couldn't, and at times 2012 playoffs was the best player in a series that included bron, wade, pierce, and garnett

 

[Rayzah]

Rondo forgot Carlisle got his ring coaching Dirk and bums vs the Heat while he tagged along with a trio of hall of famers players and a hall of fame coach.

That's where this union went wrong at.

EXACTLY, Dude has always been overated to me, I was like am I the only one who thinks he looked so good because of his 3 hall of famers and great coach? Im glad he is finally being exposed

 

[jadillac]

"Spinal..."

he broke his back

*awkward silence*

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Yep

nikka posted up like Raven on the turnbuckle pregame

 

[meth68]

So are you saying that a pg can't receive the play call from a coach without getting an 8 second violation?

I'm pretty sure Carlisle isn't the only coach calling plays, yet there doesn't seem to be a bunch of pgs getting 8 second violations.

Nope what I said is he is frustrated by it, its no secret. He doesnt get a 8sec every time up the court, that one he just so happen to get one. Why have a PG on your team if your not allowing him to be a QB of your team for at least a small % of the game?