Do Teachers really Teach after the 5th grade? from 6th thru college

[rapbeats]

Do Teachers really Teach after the 5th grade? from 6th thru college

We're talking Middle School on up.

Lets Define Teaching.

When you are in elementary school. you are taught something, then you do classwork based on what you were just taught to see if you understand the concept(to see if you were TAUGHT). If you need more assistance with the subject matter, the teacher will go back to teaching the class and even you personally if its a small part you're stuck on that the rest of the class figured out.

Then you're given homework(more practice, to master it so it becomes second nature to you). at some point you are quizzed on it, then Tested on it to make sure you have mastered the concepts.


What i remember is, middle school class was 50 mins or so for each class. same with high school. Now i know nowadays they try to switch it up in some cases where you take less classes on certain days so you will have more time in said class maybe like 2 hours vs 1. more or less like a college schedule.

College can go either way. you may have a 3 unit class where you spend 1 hour per unit in the class per week.

MWF, or you will spend around 2 hours in a class if you only have it for 2 days a week (T, TH or M,W)

We're not talking classes with Labs either.

What i have found to happen is teachers spend so much time talking. the hour is pretty much up. sure you may have 15 mins at the beginning of class to go over some homework.

But if everyone got every problem wrong on the homework it would take the full hour to go over everything. which MOST teachers refuse to do. So they will still only go over homework for a small percentage of the 1 hour time slot. the rest is spent on them lecturing about the subject.

They always tell you "Take great notes"

When reality is, the human brain retains less information you're hearing when you are taking notes. Then if you were to just sit there and listen to everything being said and try in the moment to understand the concepts. So why do you need to take notes? Since you can't or most people dont have the ability to capture all of the info being giving out verbally from the teacher. its just too much info in lets say 40 mins time. This means you will take your notes home, study your notes, study the book. do the homework. based on those things.

This to me means you're teaching yourself, based on the notes and the book.

The teacher pretty much told you out loud what you're reading in the book. whatever they have put on the board/monitor. it came out of the book you're reading when you get home.


This is why i like the direction school is going in now with the tech. where even in middle school you're basically getting a syllabus like you're in college. and all of the course work is coming out on power point or MS word, etc. to the point where you never have to take notes. the notes are given to you. all you have to do is listen. now you can spend more class time trying to understand the subject. so now in class you can start asking questions before the 1 hour is up. vs just running home with your notes to review.

But even with that. it means if i dont ask the teacher questions and get answers and break downs. do i really even need the teacher? or could i do just as well with no real teacher talking, as long as they give me the powerpoint/word docs with the course examples on them.

 

[DEAD7]

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

THERE'S A LOT OF WEIRD ANTI-EDUCATION RHETORIC THESE DAYS, BROTHER!

 

[Tate]

Yes, yes they do.

 

[mbewane]

Sounds like you had shytty teachers breh

 

[Wild self]

LABS and standardized testing is the biggest farce on the planet.

 

[Brown_Pride]

uh at a shytty school no, at a decent school and above yeah.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

potty training?

 

[88m3]

I swear some of you guys would be more happy if you were illiterate.

 

[rapbeats]

I swear some of you guys would be more happy if you were illiterate.

answer the question.

and for the record i was blessed with a certain level of intelligence, and was also blessed with one parent that worked in the schools which meant she knew about having me placed in "gifted" classes and what not. which 10 times better than your average class.I would know. since, i've been in both. and i'm still sticking to my guns on the reality that MOST teachers DONT TEACH. You are actually teaching yourself. and when for whatever reason you can't teach yourself, or choose not to(some say this is being lazy). What do they tell you to do? "Go get tutoring".

So wait, now you're going to send me off to be TAUGHT by someone other then you ...the teacher.

The reason i know the difference between very good teachers and so so or bad ones. is because i've experienced them all. This isnt something i'm making up.

 

[88m3]

answer the question.

and for the record i was blessed with a certain level of intelligence, and was also blessed with one parent that worked in the schools which meant she knew about having me placed in "gifted" classes and what not. which 10 times better than your average class.I would know. since, i've been in both. and i'm still sticking to my guns on the reality that MOST teachers DONT TEACH. You are actually teaching yourself. and when for whatever reason you can't teach yourself, or choose not to(some say this is being lazy). What do they tell you to do? "Go get tutoring".

So wait, now you're going to send me off to be TAUGHT by someone other then you ...the teacher.

The reason i know the difference between very good teachers and so so or bad ones. is because i've experienced them all. This isnt something i'm making up.

My mother was a teacher.

I've personally had a terrific public education.

I went to primary, secondary, and uni at public and private schools as diverse as NYC and the West Indies in the 90's.

Is there a class issue at stake? Certainly. It may be the defining issue.
I've traveled extensively as a child and played travel sports.... I enjoyed reading, and I enjoyed history as a child.

At the end of the day you have to want to learn. Look at all the amazing people in your life who have raised themselves to do better.


I don't know what more what to give you. I barely read your op because so many people hate education... it's frankly tired..


I breezed through easily $500 tonight in wine and dinner all thanks to public education. Masha'Allah.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Eh I get what you're saying but your opening question/the thread title destroys any attempt at having a fluid conversation.

Yes teachers teach. Yes kids that fall behind their peers have to get help outside of their 50mn class periods.

Yes some teachers read straight out of the book. Yes some work magic in the front of a classroom like they're water whipping. Yes standardized testing has caused issues.

But no, thinking that all 320million Americans could get by on being self taught is impractical.

 

[mbewane]

School is also a place for social interaction. It has become a place wher productivity and results are more important than anything (it's basicaly a liberal firm now) but one of the main objectives of school is for kids to learn how to live together, get along with others, accept being wrong, meeting and having to work with kids from other backgrounds, respecting rules and assignements, etc...school is MUCH MORE than "just" learning a lesson.

School has a huge role ine going from your "primary" identity (the one that you get from your parents, where you were born) and your "secondary" identity, which is basically "You" becoming a teen and going towards being an adult and making your own choices.

 

[rapbeats]

My mother was a teacher.

I've personally had a terrific public education.

I went to primary, secondary, and uni at public and private schools as diverse as NYC and the West Indies in the 90's.

Is there a class issue at stake? Certainly. It may be the defining issue.
I've traveled extensively as a child and played travel sports.... I enjoyed reading, and I enjoyed history as a child.

At the end of the day you have to want to learn. Look at all the amazing people in your life who have raised themselves to do better.


I don't know what more what to give you. I barely read your op because so many people hate education... it's frankly tired..


I breezed through easily $500 tonight in wine and dinner all thanks to public education. Masha'Allah.

your moms probably actually TAUGHT. thats my point. are their real TEACHERS that TEACH out there? YES. not saying they dont exist. but i will say this. MOST DONT.

you do realize a lot of teachers really want to teach the gifted kids not because they just want a class that isnt clowning around. but its because they wont have to TEACH the gifted kids. you know why? because they are already so smart they can grasp concepts a lot faster than other so called (average intelligence) kids. This is all facts.

and notice what you told me about you loving to learn and read and blah blah blah. thats great. great for YOU. but that says nothing about if your teachers is actually teaching YOU the subject matter. or if they are reading from the book and putting what the book already says on a page on the board/screen. then telling you "Do homework assignment 5 - 6. read pages 200-250 and we'll have a test coming up."

what part of that is actually TEACHING? its not. its reading whats already in the manual. the book, the actual authors are doing a much better job of teaching than these teachers are.

To teach, you have to constantly expound on the book material with your examples to make sure the point hits home for all the students in your class. Not just one or two examples and thats it.

Do you realize the reason a lot of kids dont ask questions in class yet still get good grades is not because they were taught by the teacher so well. its because they have already learned the info prior to taking this class(you see a lot of asians doing this from middle school thru college). Some other teacher did a heck of a job so now the kid doesnt really need much to do decent in the class. so yeah he had one or two good ones. but these other teachers arent teaching at all. they're coasting.

 

[rapbeats]

Eh I get what you're saying but your opening question/the thread title destroys any attempt at having a fluid conversation.

Yes teachers teach. Yes kids that fall behind their peers have to get help outside of their 50mn class periods.

Yes some teachers read straight out of the book. Yes some work magic in the front of a classroom like they're water whipping. Yes standardized testing has caused issues.

But no, thinking that all 320million Americans could get by on being self taught is impractical.

didnt say we could all get by being self taught. i said we are all pretty much self taught RIGHT NOW. which makes your point because we aint getting by if you look at the stats.

which goes back to my point. TEACHERS AINT TEACHING. They need to TEACH.

See you thought i was on that crazy talk "ay we can just teach ourselves and be great." some of us do better with that than others. and that same group is a small group in comparison to the others group.

But i will say this. This generation has a better shot at teaching themselves for the reasons i mentioned in my first post. the particular manner in which they present the info to yall nowadays makes it easier to learn it on your own. its not that i advocate this approach.