Do white suburbs freeload off black inner cities?

Do white suburbs freeload off black inner cities!?

  • yes

    Votes: 6 66.7%
  • no

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • That's over simplifying it

    Votes: 1 11.1%

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Quick primer: After the civil rights struggle white people fled Birmingham, AL in two ways...
  1. Physically moved out of the city
  2. Voted their area out of the city and created a new jurisdiction without having to physically move.
As they moved out and African Americans moved in and took over governance; B'ham became a majority AA city, while the suburbs became mostly white.(same story different city) What we are talking about now is a snapshot of the fiscal dynamics that occur in a situation like this.
Birmingham, AL
Census data 2000
62.46% Black

Census data 2010
73.40% Black



IS BIRMINGHAM SUGAR DADDY FOR OUR RICH SUBURBS?
OCTOBER 30, 2017 DAVID SHER
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It’s time for folks in the suburbs to show our appreciation for Birmingham.

There’s a tendency to think that our suburbs are independent and could operate fine by themselves.

Depressingly, I receive feedback from time to time from some of my over-the-mountain friends that say they are happy with their independent suburban life and want nothing to do with our core city.

They boast that Mountain Brook, Homewood, Hoover, and Vestavia Hills are strong financially and they have no interest in collaborating with Birmingham or any other municipality.

However, I think it’s important to understand why some Birmingham suburbs have discretionary dollars.

The city of Birmingham pays for all big ticket items.


My favorite example is the Birmingham Botanical Gardens. You may think the Botanical Gardens is located in Mountain Brook and it is certainly well used by the folks who live nearby, but the Gardens reside within the Birmingham city limits and are heavily funded by the City.

We suburbanites enjoy Railroad Park and Regions Field, but Birmingham invested $8 millions to build Railroad Park and $64 million to develop Regions Field.
No other municipality paid a penny.


According to the City of Birmingham budget of 2017, the City of Birmingham budgeted the following. This is a list of a few. (Click here for the entire budget)

  • Museum of Art $3,904,523
  • Birmingham Zoo $2,080,000
  • Vulcan Park $476,500
  • Railroad Park $1,057,280
  • McWane Center $159,104
  • Sloss Furnace $1,194,447
  • Botanical Garden $100,000
  • UAB Football $500,000
  • Birmingham Bowl $550,000
  • Southern Museum of Flight $830,687
  • Indy Racing League $350,000
  • Ruffner Mountain $200,000
  • Rickwood Field $350,000
  • World Games $500,000
  • Crossplex $3,904,523
  • Airport $4,000,000
You may want to point out that Birmingham has an occupational tax for folks who work in the city, but many people, including myself, don’t have jobs in Birmingham and therefore avoid the tax.

You also may want to remind me of the great philanthropy that comes from the suburbs–but that is also true of other cities where a broader geography of the tax payers share costs.

Birmingham represents less than 1/3’d of the population of Jefferson County and less than 1/5th of our metro seven county area–but does all the heavy lifting.

Cities like Nashville, Louisville, and Jacksonville have county/city governments so everyone shares the taxes. Here in Jefferson County, Birmingham pays for all the above amenities and the 34 other cities pay nothing.

No wonder our richer suburban governments can afford good schools, newly paved roads, and superior government services.

What would Homewood, Hoover, Vestavia Hills or Mountain Brook be without an airport or the other quality of life amenities funded by Birmingham?

Our City of Birmingham has responsibly and unselfishly supported sports, the arts, and other regional amenities–but few people seem to appreciate it.

Birmingham has some of the greatest suburbs in the world. I should know–I live in Vestavia Hills.

But pitting the City of Birmingham with our suburbs is not helpful.

Vestavia Hills would not remain great for long if Birmingham were to implode.

No one wants to be a suburb to nowhere!

We need to find ways to collaborate with one other.



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David Sher is Co-Founder of AmSher Compassionate Collections. He’s past Chairman of the Birmingham Regional Chamber of Commerce (BBA), Operation New Birmingham (REV Birmingham), and the City Action Partnership (CAP).
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Few times have I seen a white dude throw the gauntlet like that​



Census data 2010
According to the 2010 U.S. Census
Map of racial distribution in Birmingham, 2010 U.S. Census. Each dot is 25 people: White, Black, Asian, Hispanic or Other (yellow)
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I could imagine a place like Atlanta dumping waaaaay more money into city services/amenities than their suburbs. That's before considering that Atlanta also doubles as the state capital.

I still remember when they had that snow storm and everyone was trying to blame the mayor for shyt that impacted people getting from work back to the suburbs and folks stuck on federal interstate hwys which the city of Atlanta has no control over(but prob still spent resources on helping).



All the money to deal with things like that also benefit those suburbs that don't have to buy, utilize, and upkeep all the same equipment
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Anyone got any good books or other articles on this? I wanna go deep
 

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I would think most suburbs of southern cities operate like this. But let's be reality, Birmingham suburbs look like Flint compared to the upscale suburbs of other cities. Even the "tiny kingdom" of Mountain Brook. My sister-in-law grew up in Homewood, so I know the area well.
 

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I would think most suburbs of southern cities operate like this. But let's be reality, Birmingham suburbs look like Flint compared to the upscale suburbs of other cities. Even the "tiny kingdom" of Mountain Brook. My sister-in-law grew up in Homewood, so I know the area well.
Not just the south. Up north also. NYC is taking care of a lot of suburbs.

And cities in NJ have to deal with this too
 

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Anyone got any good books or other articles on this? I wanna go deep


This dude did a whole YouTube series on this




He references this book, which I read, it's a good book but the author is slightly right wing so that is a slight turnoff.

But it's interesting overall

 

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Oh damn! yall brought this one back:ehh: ....actually one of my favorite threads that didn't get play when originally posted.:francis:
......anyway:yeshrug:








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Yes they do. That’s why I support all highways being demolished in the city limits and switching all the railroad lines (except AmTrak) to subways and rail lines


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Expound please...
 

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Oh damn! yall brought this one back:ehh: ....actually one of my favorite threads that didn't get play when originally posted.:francis:
......anyway:yeshrug:








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Expound please...
Black neighborhoods throughout the country were destroyed for highway systems. What are highways used for? Transporting suburbs needs to their separatist communities.


Also why do people in Queens have to use expensive Long Island rail road that travels through their community when they all could be saving money by using a regular subway on those lines.

Some of the subways in nyc now use to be railroads also. I live next to one.

Also since they hate the city so much and black folks why don’t suburban people demand office buildings in their town? Oh yea they are also anti-development.

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