Do you guys still watch 80s-mid 90s WWF

[Notorioushnic]

I don't know if its because Im a Jim Crockett guy but I just couldn't bare to watch alot of those Wrestlemanias from the 80s. Aside from a few matches from each one, Most of those bouts were straight filler.

Most of the moves were consistent of nothing but a body slam, scoop slam, headlock, suplex, Body slam, hip toss, close-line. It bored me to tears. Especially that limited WWF style at the time.

The guys in the NWA would literally work their asses off. They sold realism to where it had the crowds all hype and have you believing that a war was taking place. I can still watch Tully Blanchards/Dusty I Quit match today whereas I'd fall asleep watching Hogan vs One Man Gang.

I'd take Dusty and Flair over Hogan and Andre anyday

 

[El Cocodrilo]

I don't know if its because Im a Jim Crockett guy but I just couldn't bare to watch alot of those Wrestlemanias from the 80s. Aside from a few matches from each one, Most of those bouts were straight filler.

Most of the moves were consistent of nothing but a body slam, scoop slam, headlock, suplex, Body slam, hip toss, close-line. It bored me to tears. Especially that limited WWF style at the time.

The guys in the NWA would literally work their asses off. They sold realism to where it had the crowds all hype and have you believing that a war was taking place. I can still watch Tully Blanchards/Dusty I Quit match today whereas I'd fall asleep watching Hogan vs One Man Gang.

I'd take Dusty and Flair over Hogan and Andre anyday

Hogan knew how to wrestle, you could see it when he went to Japan.
But in the U.S. him doing 3 moves and then hulking up was what the people wanted to pay to see

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

The workrate in NWA was obviously better with the Andersons, Flair, Dusty, Midnight Express, Ronnie Garvin, etc.. but the 80's/early 90's of WWE had some iconic characters.

I do watch sometimes. Now guys like Macho, Million Dollar Man, Perfect, Rude, Jake, they are all tremendous talkers and great characters. They did not have the high volume of great matches like the NWA guys because it wasn't how the promotion was constructed but they all have their fare share. Macho and Steamboat put on a wrestling clinic. The Hart Foundation and the Bulldogs, even Demolition had great tag matches with each other. Jake had some great brawls, Rude got a few good matches out of Warrior....

Yeah, there's more than enough quality there. Plus, the commentary was great. In Crocket you had often times Schiavone who was alright but nothing special and Jim Ross who was good but young. WWF was hitting you with Gorilla and Jesse or Gorilla and Heenan. The commentary alone made shyt very interesting. I loved Jesse telling it like it is and he always made some great points. They discussed wrestling as if it was an actual sport and talked strategy, etc... it's great.

 

[A.J.Soprano]

80s,90s, attitude era are the only eras of wrestling worth talking about IMO.



Haven't watched wrestling since 2001.



Sh1ts garbo now b

 

[R=G]

There was nobody in the NwA, AWA, or Mid South that was better than Savage year to year in the 80s. LOD was drawing big in the south but do I go back and watch their matches with some kind of desire? Not really. I like watching classic feuds, great moments, and historically fun matches. I didn't watch WM 7 LIVE when it happened and saw the Warrior/Savage match like maybe TWICE before the Macho Man DVD came out. So there is stuff like that to go over....I don't rewatch all the Halloween Havocs or Great American Bashes....unless it had a poignant match of significance that I kind of forgot the structure of how it went down. But when you see it, you instantly remember the angles and certain promos from that timeframe.

The only stuff I really like from the New Generation era of the WWF was Razor Ramon, Tatanka's original push, and Undertaker.

 

[Notorioushnic]

The workrate in NWA was obviously better with the Andersons, Flair, Dusty, Midnight Express, Ronnie Garvin, etc.. but the 80's/early 90's of WWE had some iconic characters.

I do watch sometimes. Now guys like Macho, Million Dollar Man, Perfect, Rude, Jake, they are all tremendous talkers and great characters. They did not have the high volume of great matches like the NWA guys because it wasn't how the promotion was constructed but they all have their fare share. Macho and Steamboat put on a wrestling clinic. The Hart Foundation and the Bulldogs, even Demolition had great tag matches with each other. Jake had some great brawls, Rude got a few good matches out of Warrior....

Yeah, there's more than enough quality there. Plus, the commentary was great. In Crocket you had often times Schiavone who was alright but nothing special and Jim Ross who was good but young. WWF was hitting you with Gorilla and Jesse or Gorilla and Heenan. The commentary alone made shyt very interesting. I loved Jesse telling it like it is and he always made some great points. They discussed wrestling as if it was an actual sport and talked strategy, etc... it's great.

I can respect that and Thats true too. Case and point with WWF Saturday Night DVD. The chemistry with Ventura and McMahon were amazing. Especially with Ventura's Hogan bashing. I watched it for Rude, Perfect, Savage, Dibiase, along with them clashing with Hogan, Piper, Jake Roberts etc.

But alot of times their midcard action was atrocious.

 

[Notorioushnic]

There was nobody in the NwA, AWA, or Mid South that was better than Savage year to year in the 80s. LOD was drawing big in the south but do I go back and watch their matches with some kind of desire? Not really. I like watching classic feuds, great moments, and historically fun matches. I didn't watch WM 7 LIVE when it happened and saw the Warrior/Savage match like maybe TWICE before the Macho Man DVD came out. So there is stuff like that to go over....I don't rewatch all the Halloween Havocs or Great American Bashes....unless it had a poignant match of significance that I kind of forgot the structure of how it went down. But when you see it, you instantly remember the angles and certain promos from that timeframe.

The only stuff I really like from the New Generation era of the WWF was Razor Ramon, Tatanka's original push, and Undertaker.

Savage was the work horse that balanced out alot of the stiffs and I enjoyed watching dude in the 80s. His promos, his charisma, his aggressive style along with his unpredictability made him unique.

But you also had Flair being the true workhorse 6 days a week and the Horsemen giving cats that work.

 

[DaylitoJames]

Breh I constantly youtube promos and fukkery from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. When it comes to fukkery old school is the best.

 

[R=G]

Savage was the work horse that balanced out alot of the stiffs and I enjoyed watching dude in the 80s. His promos, his charisma, his aggressive style along with his unpredictability made him unique.

But you also had Flair being the true workhorse 6 days a week and the Horsemen giving cats that work.

Well...Flair had to do that for a few reasons. Hogan was going strong and was making unheard of strides for the wrestling business. Flair was really in the idea of being a "TRUE World Champion"..taking on the top guys from other promotions, wrestling Japan greats, wrestling gimmick matches, long houseshow main events where he would win in glorious heel fashion, etc. His mindset was geared towards that type of thinking. Macho Man was a Superstar from day one..his theme, his manager angle, his voice, his cape, etc. He was just ahead of his time from the get go.

 

[Notorioushnic]

Well...Flair had to do that for a few reasons. Hogan was going strong and was making unheard of strides for the wrestling business. Flair was really in the idea of being a "TRUE World Champion"..taking on the top guys from other promotions, wrestling Japan greats, wrestling gimmick matches, long houseshow main events where he would win in glorious heel fashion, etc. His mindset was geared towards that type of thinking. Macho Man was a Superstar from day one..his theme, his manager angle, his voice, his cape, etc. He was just ahead of his time from the get go.

You know what was crazy around that time? How the Crowds would react to anything. I watched Savage/Steamboat a while back and they marked out for a Arm drag. The same when the Road Warriors would come out there in the NWA. It was a great time to be a fan.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

That's because in that era (keep in mind not everyone felt this way) psychology in a wrestling match was one of the more important factors. I don't mind a match that is pretty much a spot fest if the spots are at least innovative but I still prefer psychology, limb work, blood feuds and the like. Storytelling is serious. If you look at Payback for example, most people think Punk/Jericho was the best match of the night but I prefer Dolph/Del Rio because of how they worked Dolph's concussion into the framework of the match and were able to pull off a double turn flawlessly.

Crowds appreciated the build to Macho/Steamboat and the story of the match.

 

[SanfordMan75]

80s,90s, attitude era are the only eras of wrestling worth talking about IMO.



Haven't watched wrestling since 2001.



Sh1ts garbo now b

:pryor4
dis right here is truth!

 

[bear27]

mid south in the early 80's>>>>>

though still fukks with early 90's wwf thats my childhood.summerslam 91 breh thats my shyt

 

[TrueEpic08]

That's because in that era (keep in mind not everyone felt this way) psychology in a wrestling match was one of the more important factors. I don't mind a match that is pretty much a spot fest if the spots are at least innovative but I still prefer psychology, limb work, blood feuds and the like. Storytelling is serious. If you look at Payback for example, most people think Punk/Jericho was the best match of the night but I prefer Dolph/Del Rio because of how they worked Dolph's concussion into the framework of the match and were able to pull off a double turn flawlessly.

Crowds appreciated the build to Macho/Steamboat and the story of the match.

Well it's not like Punk/Jericho didn't have it's own share of subtle storytelling itself, with Punk working the ring rust angle and foreshadowing the Punk/Heyman split (which they stupidly pulled the trigger on the next night instead of letting it simmer like they did with the Lesnar/Heyman split). I agree with everything else you said about Dolph/Del Rio though.

A part of it might be because the way that wrestling's written has changed from the 80s-early 90s to now, due to the Monday Night Wars creating an environment which privileges attempts at grabbing ratings over psychologically consistent storylines and matches, along with longer and more drawn out builds. Other than a few moments over the past 15 years or so (more so over the past decade, and it seems to get worse every year), mainstream wrestling isn't written to create the environment for slow builds and climaxes in matches. It's written for Nielsens.

A shame, since when you look at those builds from the 80s through about 1994, there's a lot of great booking being done there (a lot of garbage too, but of a different sort).

 

[R=G]

You know what was crazy around that time? How the Crowds would react to anything. I watched Savage/Steamboat a while back and they marked out for a Arm drag. The same when the Road Warriors would come out there in the NWA. It was a great time to be a fan.

The Kayfabe era was strong then. That suspension of belief was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more prominant compared to the late 90s-2000s. That's why I've said it time and time again..it's so amazing when someone got as over as Austin and Rock did with everything the fans know about things.

Forgot to shout out my boy Hakushi..loved that kid back then.