Do you think illegals really take away jobs from lesser educated blacks?

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Do you think this is true? I live in Miami and alot of black males are outta work, the Hispanic population down here is almost 60%, I just goggled Jacksonville and the Hispanic population is 6.9%.

A couple of my friends moved to Jacksonville last year and immediately got positions, not highly educated men but they found success where ass living down here they couldn't get jobs.
 

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Yes:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/illegal-immigration-hurts-the-black-community.371501/









Writer: Illegal Immigration Stifles Black Community

http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/tmm/2010/02/20100217_tmm_02.mp3?dl=1

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We gotta be honest about this :whoo:


































5 Fast Facts About Black Immigrants in the United States

5 Fast Facts About Black Immigrants in the United States
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SOURCE: AP/John Raoux

A protester holds up a Haitian flag during a march for immigration reform in Orlando, Florida.

By Helina Faris | Thursday, December 20, 2012

Recent weeks have seen a positive shift in the conversation on immigration reform, with prominent voices in both parties pushing for a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States. But although Latinos and Asian Americans figure prominently in the conversation, black immigrants—who comprise 8 percentof the U.S. foreign-born population—are most often left out.

As we prepare for 2013, here are some key facts about this often-overlooked group.

1. Black immigrants are a significant group in the United States—more than 3 million peoplecomprising 8 percent of the U.S. foreign-born population. More than half come from the Caribbean, with the rest mostly coming from Northern and sub-Saharan Africa. A small number also come from Europe and Canada. Black immigrants account for more than one-quarter of the black population in New York, Boston, and Miami.

2. Black immigrants arrive in the United States through multiple pathways. Most black immigrants—especially those from the Caribbean—arrive as legal permanent residents based on their family ties. Refugees from Ethiopia, Somalia, Liberia, Sudan, and Eritrea accounted for 30 percent of all black African immigrants in 2009, while around one-fifth of black African immigrants entered the United States through the diversity visa lottery program—which provides 55,000 visas each year to countries underrepresented in immigrant streams to the United States. Around 400,000 black immigrants in the United States are here without legal status. :mindblown:

3. Black immigrants are one of the most-educated immigrant groups. Black immigrants have more college education and higher rates of degree attainment than any other immigrant group in the United States. :sas2:

4. Black immigrants face many challenges in the United States. Even with high levels of education, black immigrants tend to earn low wages compared to other similarly trained immigrant or native workers. In 2011 black immigrants had the highest unemployment rate—12.5 percent—of any foreign-born group in the United States. :mjpls: Proposed immigration reforms such as reductions in family-based admissions and elimination of the diversity visa lottery could affect the flow of black immigrants to the United States, cutting off all legal means of entry into the country.

5. Despite the challenges they face, black immigrants are stepping up in support of immigration reform. Despite the risk of deportation by coming out as undocumented, several young black immigrants—such as Tolu Olubunmi, who was born in Nigeria and came to the United States at age 14—are fighting for passage of the DREAM Act. Haitian Americans in Miami also came out in large numbers last year to protest U.S. immigration policies that favor groups such as Cuban migrants—allowing, for example, any Cuban who makes it onto American soil to stay—but discriminate against Haitians seeking asylum in the United States. :stopitslime:

Like all immigrants in the United States, black immigrants come to this country to chase their dreams and to provide their families with a better life. Despite facing linguistic barriers, stereotypes, and misconceptions, black immigrants have developed social networks and small-scale entrepreneurship that have helped them successfully integrate into the United States. While their voices have been absent from much of the immigration debate, black immigrants know how important their voices are—as the example of young black DREAMers illustrates—and they are beginning to use those voices in support of immigration reform.

Helina Faris was an intern with the Immigration team at the Center for American Progress.




















Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration Solutions - ProCon.org

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USA Commission on Civil Rights Report from 2008:

"The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers: A Briefing Before The United States Commission on Civil Rights Held in Washington, DC"

http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1756&context=key_workplace




The Commission selected balanced panels that included Harry Holzer, professor of public policy at Georgetown University; Gordon H. Hanson, professor of economics at the University of California, San Diego; Julie Hotchkiss, research economist and policy advisor at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta; Vernon Briggs, professor emeritus of labor economics at Cornell University; Gerald Jaynes, professor of economics and African American Studies at Yale University; Richard Nadler, president of Americas Majority Foundation; Carol Swain, professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University; and Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, DC.



The US has taken in more illegal immigrants than damn near every other nation in Europe.


Illegal Immigration around the World: 13 Countries Compared to the United States - Illegal Immigration Solutions - ProCon.org


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And the USA is in the top 10 of illegal immigrant countries around the fukking world:


The top 10 home countries of those illegal immigrants were the People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Thailand, The Philippines, Mongolia, Indonesia, Uzbekistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, The United States of America, respectively.

Illegal immigration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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Do you think this is true? I live in Miami and alot of black males are outta work, the Hispanic population down here is almost 60%, I just goggled Jacksonville and the Hispanic population is 6.9%.

A couple of my friends moved to Jacksonville last year and immediately got positions, not highly educated men but they found success where ass living down here they couldn't get jobs.

My favorite piece of data on this:





USA Commission on Civil Rights Report from 2008:

"The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers: A Briefing Before The United States Commission on Civil Rights Held in Washington, DC"

http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1756&context=key_workplace




The Commission selected balanced panels that included Harry Holzer, professor of public policy at Georgetown University; Gordon H. Hanson, professor of economics at the University of California, San Diego; Julie Hotchkiss, research economist and policy advisor at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta; Vernon Briggs, professor emeritus of labor economics at Cornell University; Gerald Jaynes, professor of economics and African American Studies at Yale University; Richard Nadler, president of Americas Majority Foundation; Carol Swain, professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University; and Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, DC.

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Yes, I think it is dumb as hell for working-class people to war against each other for shytty jobs instead of uniting in class struggle to advance their class interests (and, at the same time, combating racism):mannymarx:.

But that's not a popular position on the Coli so whatever. :coffee: Let's get back to the parochial, short-sighted, and ignorant notion that Hispanics are "the enemy" (a popular position on the Coli :smh:).
 

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Yes, I think it is dumb as hell for working-class people to war against each other for shytty jobs instead of uniting in class struggle to advance their class interests (and, at the same time, combating racism):mannymarx:.

But that's not a popular position on the Coli so whatever. :coffee: Let's get back to the parochial, short-sighted, and ignorant notion that Hispanics are "the enemy" (a popular position on the Coli :smh:).
Insinuating what we have now is actual capitalism* :francis: and then blaming it...:francis:
Lets just agree that what we have now is undesirable :ehh: and debate viable(:usure:) options.
















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Defining capitalism as an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
 

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To be honest I'm not convinced it makes that much of a difference. :patrice:

Reason being that most of these people hiring immigrants are probably averse to hiring black people anyway, which is why black immigrants struggle more than others relative to their educational attainment levels.
 

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To be honest I'm not convinced it makes that much of a difference. :patrice:

Reason being that most of these people hiring immigrants are probably averse to hiring black people anyway, which is why black immigrants struggle more than others relative to their educational attainment levels.
Don't pretend its just low level work either:



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Yes, I think it is dumb as hell for working-class people to war against each other for shytty jobs instead of uniting in class struggle to advance their class interests (and, at the same time, combating racism):mannymarx:.

But that's not a popular position on the Coli so whatever. :coffee: Let's get back to the parochial, short-sighted, and ignorant notion that Hispanics are "the enemy" (a popular position on the Coli :smh:).
Illegal hispanics ARE a hinderance to black economic progress.
 
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