Yea or no
Does Marvin hagler lose points for never leaving middleweight
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Dallas' 4 Eva
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No. Weight jumping is overrated to me.
There was plenty of competition for him at middle. I don't see any issue with it.
Dallas' 4 Eva
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I feel like we miss a lot of fights because of weight jumping.
reservoirdogs
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Back in the 80s 168 still wasn't recognized by many as a legit weight division, sometimes fighters just skipped it altogether and moved to 175 from 160. It's not a historic, "glamour" division. So for Hagler it was going to be harder to move up with 175 being the goal, not 168. Besides that he had a solid resume as well even before he fought Hearns, he hasn't got a spectacular resume but good enough.
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Yes!! Major points.
He made all the greats come up to fight him. Punk shyt for a great fighter. He didn’t fight SRL, Hearns, nor Duran at 147.
He made all the greats come up to fight him. Punk shyt for a great fighter. He didn’t fight SRL, Hearns, nor Duran at 147.
What's crazy is Hagler biggest fights involved fighters moving up in weight fighting him and 3 of the fabulous 4 fought above 160
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reservoirdogs
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Yeah it's interesting and they did pretty well considering their size too. Hearns was a great win for Hagler even with moving up though.
IMO, not at all. and thats fine if you disagree. a couple of things I like to mention. I love how Mickey Ward said "fighters mainly jump weight because they dont have the discipline to make weight". Ward has weight in below and above 140 but his campaign has always been at 140 and he campaigned there for about 17 years. This pretty much describes Hagler in a nutshell. His will and discipline is mainly what made him great, as there were faster, harder hitting, and more technical fighters than him. He was just a lunch pail type of guy who was extremely disciplined and fearless.
I wish there were more fighters like Hagler today. He said he went to camp it was like going to "jail". No sex or nothing for him. Just locked the fukk in. I think its noble to plant your flag and say this is your domain and you are the undisputed king and if anyone thinks they can come and conquer then have at it.
the move up game is all about money and always has been always will be. there are a ton of guys, but for example will just say Zab Judah, who had a career that ran over 20 years....had he stayed 140 he'd be an atg, but he is much richer for not. Even a guy like Broner would be viewed as a great fighter by now had he stayed at 130 because his physical advantages were too great. People will always take points though for not moving up to face bigger names or perhaps more dangerous opposition. In this case you have to look at Hagler for the man he was personally. He didnt care about the money like that and he turned $15 million which today would be about 40 mil plus and rode off in to the sunset, because he was all about competing and making a better life for himself, not becoming greedy over the bag.
you have to remember, fighters were going up to face Hagler because it was the biggest opportunity for THEM. Hagler was like Mt Everest back then. When Donald Curry was undisputed WW champ he wanted to jump 2 divisions to face Hagler. Hagler was the ticket. He didnt chase anyone, he always said if you want what I got, come get it....and he held that fort down.
I wish there were more fighters like Hagler today. He said he went to camp it was like going to "jail". No sex or nothing for him. Just locked the fukk in. I think its noble to plant your flag and say this is your domain and you are the undisputed king and if anyone thinks they can come and conquer then have at it.
the move up game is all about money and always has been always will be. there are a ton of guys, but for example will just say Zab Judah, who had a career that ran over 20 years....had he stayed 140 he'd be an atg, but he is much richer for not. Even a guy like Broner would be viewed as a great fighter by now had he stayed at 130 because his physical advantages were too great. People will always take points though for not moving up to face bigger names or perhaps more dangerous opposition. In this case you have to look at Hagler for the man he was personally. He didnt care about the money like that and he turned $15 million which today would be about 40 mil plus and rode off in to the sunset, because he was all about competing and making a better life for himself, not becoming greedy over the bag.
you have to remember, fighters were going up to face Hagler because it was the biggest opportunity for THEM. Hagler was like Mt Everest back then. When Donald Curry was undisputed WW champ he wanted to jump 2 divisions to face Hagler. Hagler was the ticket. He didnt chase anyone, he always said if you want what I got, come get it....and he held that fort down.
definitely overrated depending on the context. a lot of fighters fought at higher weights in the amateurs and turned pro campaigning lower. some times this was marketing ploy to come in and snatch titles "easily" at lower weights. on the flip side, a guy like Oba Carr probably shouldve moved up or down to get a title if that was his goal because he ran into one of the GOAT boxing roadblocks.
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You definitely "lose points" if you stayed in a division with no competition...Wins padding is not respected in this sport...
Hagler didn't do that, the MW division wasn't as well known as the WW but still stacked with tough fighters like John Mugabi...
To add to that, asking a naturally bigger man with no excess weight to lose, to move down 13 pounds to fight little nikkas never made any sense...
That's hustling backwards and reckless as fukk from a health standpoint...
The game has always been, move up in weight when the division dries up...
You definitely "lose points" if you stayed in a division with no competition...Wins padding is not respected in this sport...
Hagler didn't do that, the MW division wasn't as well known as the WW but still stacked with tough fighters like John Mugabi...
To add to that, asking a naturally bigger man with no excess weight to lose, to move down 13 pounds to fight little nikkas never made any sense...
That's hustling backwards and reckless as fukk from a health standpoint...
The game has always been, move up in weight when the division dries up...