DOGE went looking for phone fraud at SSA — and found almost none

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DOGE went looking for phone fraud at SSA — and found almost none​


Natalie Alms

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After installing anti-fraud checks for benefit claims made over the phone early last month, the Social Security Administration is considering walking back the policy after finding only two cases that had a high probability of being fraudulent.

The anti-fraud tool set up last month after weeks of changes to the agency’s telephone policies has slowed retirement claim processing by 25% and led to a "degradation of public service,” according to an internal May document obtained by Nextgov/FCW that examined potentially cutting the anti-fraud tool for phone claims.

Under the new policy, the agency found that only two benefit claims out of over 110,000 had a high probability of being fraudulent — and they aren’t guaranteed to be so. Less than 1% of claims were flagged as even potentially fraudulent at all.

“No significant fraud has been detected from the flagged cases,” the internal document said.

The attention to fraud, however, did cause delays, as SSA changed its phone procedures to add the checks on the backend.

The lags stem from the three-day hold placed on telephone claims in order to run the antifraud claims, a move that “delays payments and benefits to customers, despite an extremely low risk of fraud,” as the document noted.

When SSA put the policy in place in early April, the agency said it would require people deemed suspicious to go in-person to an office to prove their identity.

Initially, the anti-fraud algorithm was being run against all phone claims, but SSA later narrowed it only to retirement, survivors and auxiliary claims — not disability claims — after internal pushback, two employees told Nextgov/FCW. SSA uses Transunion and PinDrop for anti-fraud detection on its phone calls, according to one employee.

SSA’s leadership is now considering changing the policy, especially the three-day hold, and potentially making changes around identity proofing writ large, one agency employee told Nextgov/FCW. The agency did not respond to a request for comment.

The additional slowdown to retirement processing comes as the agency deals with an influx of retirement claims this year that surpasses previous numbers, according to an internal SSA email announcing a sprint to bring that number down. SSA has over 140,000 unprocessed retirement claims that are over 60 days old.

Announced in April, the anti-fraud check policy for benefit claims made over SSA’s phone lines was one of many changes and reversals the agency announced as DOGE and White House officials made false and misleading claims about fraudsters getting benefits over the phone.

Aram Moghaddassi, a DOGE engineer, notably said during a March 27 interview on Fox News that 40% of phone calls made to SSA to change direct deposit information come from fraudsters.

The agency itself has said that, in actuality, 40% of direct deposit fraud at the agency is associated with phone calls, not that 40% of all calls regarding changes to bank information are made by fraudsters.

Musk repeated a similar claim that 40% of the agency’s calls were “fraudulent” during a speech in late March.

Vice President J.D. Vance has also repeated this talking point — following it by saying “DOGE has got a lot of work to do” — as well as other, false assertions about impossibly elderly people claiming benefits, something the agency has said is actually a result of a quirk in the system, not old or dead people receiving benefits. President Donald Trump has also repeated this claim about extremely old people getting benefits.

In March, the agency announced that people couldn’t file claims at all over the phone anymore, or use the phone lines to change direct deposit information.

Only about a week later, SSA changed those claim restrictions to retirement, survivor, and family benefit claims alone, before later allowing all to file over the phone with the anti-fraud checks running on the backend to flag potential fraudsters.

“The Trump-Musk Social Security takeover has only meant more chaos and confusion for Americans,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., said in response to the information obtained by Nextgov/FCW about the policy’s implementation.

Warren launched a “Social Security War Room,” with other lawmakers in April to push back against the Trump administration’s work at SSA.

“Every one of DOGE’s so-called ‘mistakes’ is a backdoor cut to people’s benefits,” she said. “There’s nothing efficient about making it harder for people to access the checks they’ve earned and are owed.”

Overall, fraud at SSA is a miniscule problem. Only 0.3% of SSA’s old-age, survivor and disability insurance payments are considered “improper payments” — a category that also covers mistakes, like payments that should’ve been made but were missing a signature. Only a sliver of that 0.3% is due to fraud, according to a recent oversight report.

The SSA numbers obtained by Nextgov/FCW also relate only to claims made over the phone, not for direct deposit changes made by phone. Limits on changing direct deposit information over the phone still exist.

SSA’s inspector general did recommend that the agency beef up security controls around direct deposit changes in 2012, although direct deposit fraud that happens over the phone is less than 0.0003% of total benefits.

After publication, Leland Dudek, the agency’s former acting commissioner who is now a senior advisor at SSA, told Nextgov/FCW that “in the last 30 days SSA stopped 20k fraudulent attempts” across “all transactions that involve direct deposit, which includes first time claims” across both the phone and internet. The document obtained by Nextgov/FCW referred exclusively to claims made over the phone. The agency didn’t respond to an additional request for comment after Dudek’s statement.

For now, people who want to change their direct deposit information are required to get a one-time code online via their SSA account before they can do so over the phone.

Otherwise, they have to go into an office — a fact that still worries Kathleen Romig, director of social security and disability policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, as it’s estimated that the policy will send millions to SSA offices, which are far away and difficult to get to for many.

Romig wasn’t surprised by how little suspected fraud SSA found in claims made over the phone.

“It seemed like a solution in search of a problem,” she said. “So many of these policy changes — the proposals, the reversals, the things that SSA has done over these past several months — seem to have been fueled by misinformation from people like Elon Musk.”

Editor's note: This article has been updated to include comments from SSA Senior Advisor Leland Dudek.
 

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Former DOGE engineer says federal waste and fraud were 'relatively nonexistent'​


Updated June 5, 202510:31 AM ET

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Sahil Lavingia, former DOGE engineer, says he didn't see the fraud and abuse in government spending that he was expecting.

Sahil Lavingia, former DOGE engineer, says he didn't see the fraud and abuse in government spending that he was expecting.


A former employee of the Department of Government Efficiency says that he found that the federal waste, fraud and abuse that his agency was supposed to uncover were "relatively nonexistent" during his short time embedded within the Department of Veterans Affairs.

"I personally was pretty surprised, actually, at how efficient the government was," Sahil Lavingia told NPR's Juana Summers.

Lavingia was a successful software developer and the founder of Gumroad, a platform for online sales, when he joined DOGE in March. Lavingia said he had previously sought to work for the U.S. Digital Service, the technology unit that was renamed and restructured by the Trump administration. He told NPR that he just wanted to make government websites easier for citizens to use and didn't really care which presidential administration he was working for, despite protests from his friends and family.



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Lavingia said the overall message at DOGE was transparency and a vibe of "ask for forgiveness, not permission." So, when a blogger asked for an interview about Gumroad, he agreed. And when asked, he talked about his work at DOGE, including how little inefficiency he saw compared to what he was expecting.

"Elon [Musk] was pretty clear about how he wanted DOGE to be maximally transparent," Lavingia said. "That's something he said a lot in private. And publicly. And so I thought, OK, cool, I'll take him at his word. I will be transparent."

Shortly after the interview was published online, Lavingia got an email. Just 55 days into his work at DOGE, his access had been revoked.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.



Interview highlights:


On why he wanted to work there

It's hard for me to think of a better way to have a larger impact as someone who writes code every day and enjoys, you know, designing and building products, web applications, iPhone applications than working for the U.S. federal government.



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And Bernie, Hillary, Obama, Trump, it doesn't really matter to me if the work is making it easier to pay taxes or, you know, making it easier for veterans to collect benefits. I like when my software gets used by a lot of people and people send me nice emails. In this case, people weren't sending me the nicest emails, unfortunately. But they also didn't really know what I was doing. They saw DOGE, weren't a fan of certain things that they were associated with. But I think at the end of the day, like, the role of the U.S. Digital Service is to improve the UX (user experience) of being an American, which is pretty exciting. And anyone who lets me do that, I will try to work for, even if my friends and family aren't huge fans.

On the lack of fraud and spending abuse he saw

I did not find the federal government to be rife with waste, fraud and abuse. I was expecting some more easy wins. I was hoping for opportunity to cut waste, fraud and abuse. And I do believe that there is a lot of waste. There's minimal amounts of fraud. And abuse, to me, feels relatively nonexistent. And the reason is — I think we have a bias as people coming from the tech industry where we worked at companies, you know, such as Google, Facebook, these companies that have plenty of money, are funded by investors and have lots of people kind of sitting around doing nothing.

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The government has been under sort of a magnifying glass for decades. And so I think, generally, I personally was pretty surprised, actually, at how efficient the government was. This isn't to say that it can't be made more efficient — elimination of paper, elimination of faxing — but these aren't necessarily fraud, waste and abuse. These are just rooms to modernize and improve the U.S. federal government into the 21st century.

On what happened before he was let go

I, probably stupidly, was asked by a — not even a journalist but a writer who just has a blog about my business going open-source, and I spoke to him. He had a bunch of questions about me working for DOGE and I felt that Elon was pretty clear about how he wanted DOGE to be maximally transparent. That's something he said a lot in private and publicly. And so I felt, OK, cool, I'll take him at his word. I will be transparent and sort of "ask forgiveness not permission" sort of thing. I said mostly that the government was not as inefficient as I was expecting.



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And then, my access got revoked pretty shortly after. I didn't get notified. I was basically ghosted and I just got an email notification that my access was no longer valid.

Unfortunately, they did not tell me directly that the reason I was let go was because of my transparency. I don't know if irony is the right word, but I do think that it's maybe, as Elon says, the most entertaining outcome is the most likely, and letting someone go for being transparent in the most maximally transparent organization is a little bit entertaining.
 
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