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I understand what you're saying but I disagree. Effective and successful business management requires certain traits in a person that are also needed to run a country. Yes, some public companies only think short-term and try to hit their quarterly numbers so the stock rises. Those people are typically in and out of those companies within 1-3 years. The people I am talking about are those that consistently have a proven track record. Think of Warren Buffet deciding to run for President. Mitt Romney was a great example. IMO, he would have won the Presidency if he went up against anyone other than Obama. And I think he would have been a great president and done just as well, if not better, in regards to the economic situation we were facing. Politics is mainly networking to create policy, business opportunity, and career advancement which is basically what a businessman is a master at. The Presidency is the culmination of ones career where they are at the top of their game. He creates a vision for his company to administer and managed his people in order to accomplish those goals. Maybe its my business-orientation but the similarities are very solid to me. With that said, I view being a successful businessman as more of a prerequisite rather than the end all be all. Charisma, issues, likability, etc also factor in.


I hear what you are saying and as a business admin and marketing grad and currently running a business I see the similarities but a lot of policy decisions are made based on ideology just as much as economics and in the business world, your feelings and personal stances have no place, in the position of a politician, they are your guiding light.

And I think Mitt Romney would have been an average to good president but he was not a self made business man, he came up off the bootstraps of his father and family and while he did take it to new heights, he wasn't the one to build the foundation that he succeeded on. I think that lack of proven foundation building experience has led to his multiple failed runs as president because he never learned how to get over that hump AND he's extremely bad with people and networking. Majority of his base and GOP candidates didn't even have his back. I don't think Romney would be a successful business person had he not already been given a silver spoon to start with.
 
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Your entire post highlights the one undeniable thing left out of the mentality of a business man. PEOPLE. A president is a leader of people. A businessman is a leaders of dollars and industry. There a very crucial distinction. There are two departments most CEO's hate the most. 1. Accounting, we tell them all the shyt they can't do. 2. HR they tell them all the shyt they can't do.

A president HAS TO think of the people as more than just a means to an end--a tool to be used, a cog in a machine they are trying to build. People are who the machine are being built for and again that distinction is one not often made by businessmen. Romney would have been great for (some) industry but the people would have suffered immensely under his watch. Now take a political activist and look at what he's done.
- Quasi Universal Health Coverage
- Decreased the focus on non violent crime
- Repealed don't ask don't tell
- Allowed federal dollars to be spent on stem cell research
- Extended unemployment
- Shyt on trickle down economics
- Fought for environmental protection that reduce carbon emissions

All that shyt is for the people and almost all were points romney would have doubled down in the opposite direction.

Politicians need to be humanitarians first (For the people by the people) and businessmen 2nd. When that criteria is met then YES good businessmen can make GREAT politicians for all the reasons you listed, otherwise they're just money hungry businessmen with the power of the US government added to their arsenal.

Great points and I agree to an extent. I don't agree that Romney would have gone the other way on all of those things regardless of what he said in his campaign. He is after all the guy that created the original Obamacare in my state. TBH I never would have expected my state to elect him and I was pissed when it happened but we came out alright.

The President has to put country first and foremost. This is going to be cold-hearted but people are secondary to the interests of the country. If people were first in line, we wouldn't have to fight for change. You say people (end goal) are who the machine is built for in regards to the Presidency. Well in business the end goal is money. A top leader will produce lots of money thus hitting his goal. Businessmen have a great ability to adapt to any situation (seizing opportunities, see my above post to rapbeats) and if the end goal is helping the people then they would be apt to make that alignment to succeed in their goals. Look at Congress. They are mostly successful businessmen or lawyers. Both are high stress professions that are in the upper echelon and require skills that the majority of people just don't have. They can work in unruly circumstances and make tough decisions that most of us couldn't.

Like I said, I view this as a prerequisite rather than the only qualifications. I just view businessmen as more highly qualified than almost all others in being capable of doing the job. You're right in that if requires more than just business skills but my argument is that all of that "other stuff" that you're talking about are already ingrained in a successful businessman, hence why he's on the top of the ladder.
 

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I hear what you are saying and as a business admin and marketing grad and currently running a business I see the similarities but a lot of policy decisions are made based on ideology just as much as economics and in the business world, your feelings and personal stances have no place, in the position of a politician, they are your guiding light.

And I think Mitt Romney would have been an average to good president but he was not a self made business man, he came up off the bootstraps of his father and family and while he did take it to new heights, he wasn't the one to build the foundation that he succeeded on. I think that lack of proven foundation building experience has led to his multiple failed runs as president because he never learned how to get over that hump AND he's extremely bad with people and networking. Majority of his base and GOP candidates didn't even have his back. I don't think Romney would be a successful business person had he not already been given a silver spoon to start with.

Mitt wasn't red enough for the rednecks and wasn't blue enough for the wanna-be liberals. You're right that he never got over the hump and it could very well be to the lack of a true foundation in his youth. He also went up against Obama who wasn't losing anything after he knocked Hillary out of the primary in 2008. Defeating the first black President who had all the momentum behind him was an obstacle that I don't think anyone could surpass.

I'm not sure I fully agree with the bolded. Politicians flip flop all the time and their personal interests can be quickly overshadowed by the will of the American people. Obama might personally love smoking cigarettes but as President he's still going to come down hard on tobacco companies. I don't think its a given that politicians will always follow their personal stances/feelings. Their goal is country first, not their personal feeling.
 

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I generally agree with your premise but I will say that one of the most needed qualities in business is the willingness and fortitude to adapt to the situation at hand. In the sense of the Presidency, the businessman would in turn adapt to the needs of the people while holding on to his intrinsic business skills to guide his way. I'll also say your points may be somewhat on the extreme end of things and most businesses aren't being a$$holes and doing unethical things. There are many businesses that do things the "right way" and go above and beyond for their employees and clients. We only hear about the bad ones on the news. My argument is basically that a business person knows how to work his way around different environments and knows how best to play 'the system' and if that 'system' is the Oval Office, he'll be more capable to manage that situation over someone without that background.


This kind of sounds like more of a case for Congressmen over Businessmen because when it comes to playing "the system" who can do that better than a near career politician? Businessmen tend know their own industry well, but each industry is different there isn't always overlap. You can't take a CEO in the auto industry and have him jump to the video game industry and expect the skills to automatically transfer. And once again, a business man by nature, is going to be out for the greatest profit margin, something that isn't really tangible in social issues or international issues.

Basically a businessman isn't the worst thing you can end up with but I definitely don't think they'd end up as a top 3 seed as far as professions go. Especially when you consider how many people that actually start a business and within a decade are out of business or have declared bankruptcy. Even Trump himself has had to do that because he isn't as savvy in every area as he portrays himself.
 

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This kind of sounds like more of a case for Congressmen over Businessmen because when it comes to playing "the system" who can do that better than a near career politician? Businessmen tend know their own industry well, but each industry is different there isn't always overlap. You can't take a CEO in the auto industry and have him jump to the video game industry and expect the skills to automatically transfer. And once again, a business man by nature, is going to be out for the greatest profit margin, something that isn't really tangible in social issues or international issues.

Basically a businessman isn't the worst thing you can end up with but I definitely don't think they'd end up as a top 3 seed as far as professions go. Especially when you consider how many people that actually start a business and within a decade are out of business or have declared bankruptcy. Even Trump himself has had to do that because he isn't as savvy in every area as he portrays himself.

http://www.ranknfile-ue.org/cap_st07.html

The top three professions for all members of Congress are: Lawyer, businessman, career politician. Lawyers represent the most popular profession followed by businessmen and after a wide gap you'll find career politicians.

Businesses do fail time and time again but so do policies and laws. There have been heavy defeats to certain policies that every President has faced. Its how they bounce back from defeat that shows who they really are. Same applies in business. Trump failed and declared bankruptcy but he came back and regained his wealth and got back to the top. So is he really a failure?
 
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I predicted that an openly racist, xenophobic, ultra-nationalist white man would emerge as a presidential contender in 2016 a few years ago in KTL. I just didn't know it would be fukking Donald Trump.

He won't win of course. He won't even get the Repub nomination. He's tapping into a sentiment that's real though.

*bookmarks post*

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But at this point..is this smart business?

His main business at this point is overseas luxury construction and resorts. Do you think any of this really effects that?

If anything to the lay international buyer, Trump being a "legit" American presidential contender raises the profile of his project even more.
 

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Great points and I agree to an extent. I don't agree that Romney would have gone the other way on all of those things regardless of what he said in his campaign. He is after all the guy that created the original Obamacare in my state. TBH I never would have expected my state to elect him and I was pissed when it happened but we came out alright.

The President has to put country first and foremost. This is going to be cold-hearted but people are secondary to the interests of the country. If people were first in line, we wouldn't have to fight for change. You say people (end goal) are who the machine is built for in regards to the Presidency. Well in business the end goal is money. A top leader will produce lots of money thus hitting his goal. Businessmen have a great ability to adapt to any situation (seizing opportunities, see my above post to rapbeats) and if the end goal is helping the people then they would be apt to make that alignment to succeed in their goals. Look at Congress. They are mostly successful businessmen or lawyers. Both are high stress professions that are in the upper echelon and require skills that the majority of people just don't have. They can work in unruly circumstances and make tough decisions that most of us couldn't.

Like I said, I view this as a prerequisite rather than the only qualifications. I just view businessmen as more highly qualified than almost all others in being capable of doing the job. You're right in that if requires more than just business skills but my argument is that all of that "other stuff" that you're talking about are already ingrained in a successful businessman, hence why he's on the top of the ladder.
Yeah I thinnk we agree on about half of the issue. A business man has the potential to make a good politician because they are accustomed to management, high levels of stress, success, playing the game.

Outside of that businessmen tend to be snakes. Career politicians ARE snakes and lawyers...well if there's something below snakes they are that.

We'll never really know how well another field would do because Americans view success in monetary terms. I don't. Call me a hippie or whatever:smile: I'd place more value in a humanitarian vs any of the top 3 reptilian professions.

Congress is a joke. Single digit approval ratings but high 90's incumbency rates. That's game on a whole other level. They are ineffective, crooked, bought and paid for, but they've done such a good job of painting themselves as able and setting up the game to their advantage that we will continue to vote them in. If my children's future didn't rest in these crooked ass hands i'd almost respect the hustle.

No disrespect but you sound utterly enamored with businessmen. I guess i've worked with enough of them to know that most of the times they're just normal people. Kill any CEO and tomorrow guess what, that company moves forward. VERY VERY VERY rarely is there a CEO that is the heart of the company, THOSE are the ones with the potential to be great politicians. The rest of them are just people...and often shytty people.
 
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I predicted that an openly racist, xenophobic, ultra-nationalist white man would emerge as a presidential contender in 2016 a few years ago in KTL. I just didn't know it would be fukking Donald Trump.

He won't win of course. He won't even get the Repub nomination. He's tapping into a sentiment that's real though.

:pachaha:
 
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