But McNabb didn't say they should move on from Stafford, he just said he was not worth Top 5 QB money.
McNabb's criticism is that the Lions overpaid Stafford based on his won/loss record.
Donofthem McSwagb says Stafford has done nothing to deserve an extention
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But McNabb didn't say they should move on from Stafford, he just said he was not worth Top 5 QB money.
McNabb's criticism is that the Lions overpaid Stafford based on his won/loss record.
He's not being paid top 5 is he?
And anyways, with the way the league is set up now and the hard cap....QB's who can throw are going to get big money.
If Mcnabb were in his prime right now he'd be getting more money than Stafford.
eastside313
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I ride for the lions no matter what, but ain't nothin wrong with what Mcnabb said.
Stafford is 5 years outta college and has shown no Improvement. The same things the talking heads was saying before the draft, is the samething we saying about him right now.
Stafford is 5 years outta college and has shown no Improvement. The same things the talking heads was saying before the draft, is the samething we saying about him right now.
is stafford making bad decisions in the clutch?
if not....it is not good enough pieces around him either side of the ball because he is aggressive.
Alex smith didn't mess up in the clutch for the 49ers....but he wasn't aggressive. If a QB is aggressive and is cool in the clutch then it is everyone else fault to be honest.
Favre was aggressive, but messed up in the clutch a lot....so he was at fault for a lot of things.
To be honest last couple of yrs in the playoffs Joe Flacco has been the coolest in the clutch and timely aggressive unlike Alex Smith. flacco had the perfect strategy/mind-set 2yrs in the playoffs and counting .... others have let him down.
if not....it is not good enough pieces around him either side of the ball because he is aggressive.
Alex smith didn't mess up in the clutch for the 49ers....but he wasn't aggressive. If a QB is aggressive and is cool in the clutch then it is everyone else fault to be honest.
Favre was aggressive, but messed up in the clutch a lot....so he was at fault for a lot of things.
To be honest last couple of yrs in the playoffs Joe Flacco has been the coolest in the clutch and timely aggressive unlike Alex Smith. flacco had the perfect strategy/mind-set 2yrs in the playoffs and counting .... others have let him down.
There was a 3 year time span in 02,03 and 04 where McNabb had the most talent in the NFL surrounding him, and he didnt win shyt. McNabb sure can talk about his "accomplishments" when he had a top 5 defense year in year out.
Peyton Manning was the same way when Harrison caught 143 passes, huh?
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
Peyton wasnt throwing into dbl and triple coverage. Marv may have seen an occasional dbl, but a lot of those were short throws. And defenses had to defend the rest of the offense, including Edge.
Matthew Stafford worthy of extension
Sorry, Donovan McNabb, but Lions' young QB has definitely earned hefty new pact
Updated: July 12, 2013, 4:30 PM ET
By Ashley Fox | ESPN.com
Remember 2008? The losing. The embarrassment. The shame.
That was the Detroit Lions. They were the worst team in the National Football League. Ever. A joke. They embodied futility. They didn't win a game. It was painful and wretched and sad to see men broken. That season cost plenty of good people their jobs.
And it led Matthew Stafford to his.
After the Lions this week extended Stafford's rookie contract to 2017 and gave the 25-year-old $41.5 million in guaranteed money, former longtime quarterback Donovan McNabb said Stafford didn't deserve the money.
"Is he worth top-five money? I would have to say 'No,'" McNabb said on NFL Network. "And I say that because it's about wins and losses. And what has he really done for the Detroit Lions? Nothing."
Lions QB Matthew Stafford talks about whether he feels any additional pressure after signing a contract extension, Detroit's addition of Reggie Bush, Calvin Johnson's role and more.
Stafford has done nothing except lead the Lions out of the morass of 2008. Nothing except make one of the oldest franchises in the league relevant -- not to mention interesting -- again. Nothing except lead Detroit to the playoffs in 2011 for the first time since 1999.
Stafford has done nothing except throw for more than 10,000 total yards the past two seasons -- more than any other quarterback except Tom Brady and Drew Brees -- while the Lions have continued to rebuild from 2008. Stafford has averaged more passing yards per game during his first four seasons than anyone except Kurt Warner with the St. Louis Rams (1998-2001), according to ESPN Stats & Information.
After starting all 16 games each of the past two seasons, Stafford has shed the reputation of being fragile. He has become one of the Lions' unquestioned leaders and hardest workers. And he has developed an innate connection with the Lions' most important asset, Calvin Johnson.
That is hardly nothing.
Has Stafford been launched into the Brady-Brees-Manning-Manning-Rodgers stratosphere yet? No. Has Stafford had the playoff success of Joe Flacco or the consistency of Matt Ryan, each of whom has played one season longer? No. Has he notched wins against the elite teams? No.
At least not yet.
McNabb is right that quarterbacks are judged on wins and losses. Fair or not, they get too much credit for the wins and too much blame for the losses, and quarterbacks are the only players with a win-loss record attached to their names.
But when evaluating Stafford and his 1-22 record against teams that finished the season with a winning record, there must be context. This isn't an excuse, merely an explanation: Stafford took over a sorry team. The Lions in 2009 were the ultimate rebuilding job. They were starting anew with a first-time head coach, a new coaching staff and a rookie quarterback.
The Lions didn't have the talent or depth defensively that the Philadelphia Eagles did in 1999, when McNabb was a rookie starting quarterback. During the early part of McNabb's career, the defense was loaded with playmakers and carried the Eagles. It wasn't until 2004, when Terrell Owens joined the team and running back Brian Westbrook emerged as a dual threat, that Philadelphia became known as an offensive juggernaut.
Detroit has many more pieces in place now than it did in 2009, and securing its franchise quarterback, even with two years remaining on his rookie deal, had to be a priority. The Lions, to an extent, are banking on potential, which often is risky. They are counting on Stafford to continue making progress, to become more consistent, to limit his turnovers and to maximize his strong arm.
There is no reason to think Stafford can't. He has shown impressive flashes. He can thread the ball into the narrowest window. He has the arm to find Johnson deep past a defender. There are times when Stafford has looked unstoppable.
With him, it is about extending those streaks and about continuing to grow and becoming the leader the franchise needs him to be at this stage of his career.
The day Stafford re-signed, Lions president Tom Lewand said Stafford has what longtime Michigan coach Bo Schembechler called "moxie."
"It's that something else that's hard to define," Lewand said, "and Matthew has that."
There is always risk involved when forking over significant guaranteed dollars, but Detroit did the right thing. After years of a revolving quarterback carousel that included the likes of Jon Kitna, Joey Harrington, Dan Orlovsky, Daunte Culpepper and a 35-year-old Jeff Garcia, the Lions have stability at the most important position. There is no quarterback controversy, no quarterback question. For the fifth year in a row, Stafford enters training camp as the unquestioned starter.
To the Lions, that was worth giving Stafford more guaranteed money than any quarterback except Brady, Brees, Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Flacco and Sam Bradford.
Asked to compare his extension to that of Brees or Rodgers, Stafford said: "Hopefully, a Super Bowl ring. That's what those guys have: league MVP, Super Bowl rings, years of experience doing it, all of that. You know, I think that's what is a great opportunity for me the next four or five years -- to get to that level and hopefully stay with this organization for a long time."
Given its ignominious history, given the fact that the franchise has won only one playoff game in the Super Bowl era and hadn't had a winning season since 2000 before Stafford arrived, Detroit happily gave Stafford an extension. There's no reason to think Stafford won't be the player he was in 2011, when he threw for 41 touchdowns and 5,038 yards, or that he won't be more consistent with a legitimate running game.
To the Lions, Stafford's potential and previous contributions are worth something. They've been to the bottom. They've seen the view looking up. They know better than anybody what nothing looks like, and Stafford has contributed much more than that.
Sorry, Donovan McNabb, but Lions' young QB has definitely earned hefty new pact
Updated: July 12, 2013, 4:30 PM ET
By Ashley Fox | ESPN.com
Remember 2008? The losing. The embarrassment. The shame.
That was the Detroit Lions. They were the worst team in the National Football League. Ever. A joke. They embodied futility. They didn't win a game. It was painful and wretched and sad to see men broken. That season cost plenty of good people their jobs.
And it led Matthew Stafford to his.
After the Lions this week extended Stafford's rookie contract to 2017 and gave the 25-year-old $41.5 million in guaranteed money, former longtime quarterback Donovan McNabb said Stafford didn't deserve the money.
"Is he worth top-five money? I would have to say 'No,'" McNabb said on NFL Network. "And I say that because it's about wins and losses. And what has he really done for the Detroit Lions? Nothing."
Lions QB Matthew Stafford talks about whether he feels any additional pressure after signing a contract extension, Detroit's addition of Reggie Bush, Calvin Johnson's role and more.
Stafford has done nothing except lead the Lions out of the morass of 2008. Nothing except make one of the oldest franchises in the league relevant -- not to mention interesting -- again. Nothing except lead Detroit to the playoffs in 2011 for the first time since 1999.
Stafford has done nothing except throw for more than 10,000 total yards the past two seasons -- more than any other quarterback except Tom Brady and Drew Brees -- while the Lions have continued to rebuild from 2008. Stafford has averaged more passing yards per game during his first four seasons than anyone except Kurt Warner with the St. Louis Rams (1998-2001), according to ESPN Stats & Information.
After starting all 16 games each of the past two seasons, Stafford has shed the reputation of being fragile. He has become one of the Lions' unquestioned leaders and hardest workers. And he has developed an innate connection with the Lions' most important asset, Calvin Johnson.
That is hardly nothing.
Has Stafford been launched into the Brady-Brees-Manning-Manning-Rodgers stratosphere yet? No. Has Stafford had the playoff success of Joe Flacco or the consistency of Matt Ryan, each of whom has played one season longer? No. Has he notched wins against the elite teams? No.
At least not yet.
McNabb is right that quarterbacks are judged on wins and losses. Fair or not, they get too much credit for the wins and too much blame for the losses, and quarterbacks are the only players with a win-loss record attached to their names.
But when evaluating Stafford and his 1-22 record against teams that finished the season with a winning record, there must be context. This isn't an excuse, merely an explanation: Stafford took over a sorry team. The Lions in 2009 were the ultimate rebuilding job. They were starting anew with a first-time head coach, a new coaching staff and a rookie quarterback.
The Lions didn't have the talent or depth defensively that the Philadelphia Eagles did in 1999, when McNabb was a rookie starting quarterback. During the early part of McNabb's career, the defense was loaded with playmakers and carried the Eagles. It wasn't until 2004, when Terrell Owens joined the team and running back Brian Westbrook emerged as a dual threat, that Philadelphia became known as an offensive juggernaut.
Detroit has many more pieces in place now than it did in 2009, and securing its franchise quarterback, even with two years remaining on his rookie deal, had to be a priority. The Lions, to an extent, are banking on potential, which often is risky. They are counting on Stafford to continue making progress, to become more consistent, to limit his turnovers and to maximize his strong arm.
There is no reason to think Stafford can't. He has shown impressive flashes. He can thread the ball into the narrowest window. He has the arm to find Johnson deep past a defender. There are times when Stafford has looked unstoppable.
With him, it is about extending those streaks and about continuing to grow and becoming the leader the franchise needs him to be at this stage of his career.
The day Stafford re-signed, Lions president Tom Lewand said Stafford has what longtime Michigan coach Bo Schembechler called "moxie."
"It's that something else that's hard to define," Lewand said, "and Matthew has that."
There is always risk involved when forking over significant guaranteed dollars, but Detroit did the right thing. After years of a revolving quarterback carousel that included the likes of Jon Kitna, Joey Harrington, Dan Orlovsky, Daunte Culpepper and a 35-year-old Jeff Garcia, the Lions have stability at the most important position. There is no quarterback controversy, no quarterback question. For the fifth year in a row, Stafford enters training camp as the unquestioned starter.
To the Lions, that was worth giving Stafford more guaranteed money than any quarterback except Brady, Brees, Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, Flacco and Sam Bradford.
Asked to compare his extension to that of Brees or Rodgers, Stafford said: "Hopefully, a Super Bowl ring. That's what those guys have: league MVP, Super Bowl rings, years of experience doing it, all of that. You know, I think that's what is a great opportunity for me the next four or five years -- to get to that level and hopefully stay with this organization for a long time."
Given its ignominious history, given the fact that the franchise has won only one playoff game in the Super Bowl era and hadn't had a winning season since 2000 before Stafford arrived, Detroit happily gave Stafford an extension. There's no reason to think Stafford won't be the player he was in 2011, when he threw for 41 touchdowns and 5,038 yards, or that he won't be more consistent with a legitimate running game.
To the Lions, Stafford's potential and previous contributions are worth something. They've been to the bottom. They've seen the view looking up. They know better than anybody what nothing looks like, and Stafford has contributed much more than that.
Ed MOTHEREFFING G
Chances make champions
for me its as simple as this
Matthew Stafford is the best lions QB of all time.
IDGAF about 'deserve' and 'earn'..if a team has money to spend..and can lock up the GOAT in a position for their franchise for a few years...you do it.
he isn't TIER ZERO but he is the best they've ever had and there aren't better options on the market instead. If you disagree please suggest some.
Matthew Stafford is the best lions QB of all time.
IDGAF about 'deserve' and 'earn'..if a team has money to spend..and can lock up the GOAT in a position for their franchise for a few years...you do it.
he isn't TIER ZERO but he is the best they've ever had and there aren't better options on the market instead. If you disagree please suggest some.
the next guy
Superstar
Stafford doesn't deserve that kinda scratch tho so why y'all mad?
Because a "real nikka" didnt' say it. If TO said that shyt nikkas would be like. The funniest part is you got nikkas in here agreeing with him while shytting on him at the same time.
EVERY TIME a mcnabb thread is made these stupid T.O stans come out the woodwork. "Your hero" made people so mad he can't get a job, or talk for 5 minutes without crying ,or pay his child support to his fat white baby moms