Dr. Dre is the greatest hip hop producer of all time. Hands down. Nothing overrated about him

[I love Latina women]

No they're not.

Dre worked with talented artists most of the time while Quik wasted a lot of his beats on mediocre rappers.

I like Quik beats, but a lot of his songs have a so so rapping I just don't see how he's in a Dre tier.

That’s one of Quik’s Achilles heels

He’s never had a great number of talented artists to work with

His best artists were Suga Free and Mausberg (RIP)

Quik dropped the ball with Suga Free

Street Gospel is a damn classic and they should’ve kept the ball rolling after that

I felt like Quik’s best years were 97’ to 00’

Street Gospel
Rhythm-Al-ism
The Konnectied Project Vol 1
Non Fiction
Balance & Options

nikka had some classic production on Deborah Cox album at that time and The Gap Band too. He had found his way during those years.

 

[Smokin Rider]

Anybody who says anyone other than Dre has Eastcoast bias. RZA is a legend Dre had easily the best outcome. If any new rapper comes out with a song and it says produced by Dre it will get more views simply based off Dre's production

 

[I love Latina women]

That's the thing, I'm from NYC and I know Dre is the GOAT. LOL!! We're not all biased.

Daz is an idiot. But one thing he said that was on point, was that Suge was the one who started trying to discredit Dre because he left The Row. When Dre was still on the label, Suge was swearing up and down that Dre was the best ever. Once he left, he started that nonsense about how Dre doesn't do this and that. And like Daz said, people ran with it. But even Daz has said a million times that those classic albums were all Dre and nobody could do what Dre does. Kurupt, D.O.C., Snoop and the rest of the people that were around have all said the same.

Everybody that people like to say helped Dre on beats seems to magically lose their talent once they're not around Dre anymore. Nobody can make a dope beat to save their lives once they go out on their own, but Dre's haters want the world to believe that these dudes were the ones making Dre's sh*t dope. FOH! Sometimes I'm amazed at how dumb people can be. Sh*t is crazy.

See!
Exactly, and I’m from VA

Yup, once Dre ain’t have nothing to do with Death Row, Suge made it his mission to smear Dre’s name any way he could

Dre prevailed by staying focused on the music and not the gossip and bullshyt

 

[boogers]

i apologize in advance for my long ass reply. i love dr dre a bunch and this was an interesting thread

Doesn’t matter
He made his mark in the game decades ago
That blemish ain’t even a footnote on his resume

he knows his legacy is basically secure but ever since the michelle/dee barnes stuff was re-exposed in the modern era (along with suge murdering someone) dre seems to be even different than before. when i watch him on camera with jimmy iovine and shyt i feel like once the camera is turned off, dre prolly has an english accent or something. "another crumpet, jim? spot of tea?" while bruce is suntanning out by the pool. dre prolly got a big tony soprano bathrobe on too.

i mean i love dre but he is wild muscle magazine homo. we all know what he said to Pac at that table that day. he liked getting pumped in his butt. it hurts me to say it, i know.

time stamped

Yessir

I think if he would’ve dropped Detox somewhere around 2005, it would’ve worked

Yeah the few beats I heard from that era had were nice

I always liked that beat he gave Obie Trice for “The Set Up”

obie is nice. i dont really like em but i like his friends for the most part. obie and d12 are hilarious

RZA is the greatest top to bottom with the greatest peak in Hip Hop history.

But Dre ain’t no slouch.

nah not even. i love wu-tang, but that good period was short. 1992-1996. i dont really like much after the solo albums and forever. and wu-tang post dirty is a god damn sacrilege. id rather just not have a wu-tang than have to listen to some of the shyt off 8 diagrams.

but sadly rza is no longer raw... hes now a mountain climber who plays an electric guitar...

Premo is my GOAT but not mad at anyone picking Dre or RZA.

Just look at Preem's resume. This dude was producing albums non-stop. Gang Starr, Jeru, Krs, Group Home, M.O.P. classic remixes left and right, poppin up on classic Jay-Z and Nas records etc etc etc. I tried making a best of Premo one day and stopped at like 100 tracks

DJ Premier production discography - Wikipedia

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really shows how dynamic hiphop is. theres room for everybody. but premo and dre feel like two different worlds sometimes. if im listening to something premo produced, im probably listening for lyrics first ironically. but if its dre i can listen to nate dogg sing about hoes licking up nuts

Yes he polishes stuff up and produces them to their full potential but Dre's whole camp is full of people accepting submissions, stealing the work, adding to it and fukking over the people actually putting the initial work in. I'm a massive Dre fan but I can't deny what I've learned, it taints the legacy somewhat.

Dre as a mucical visionary and producer is a long gone concept. Unknowns are regularly submitting work which he doesn't always do a lot of work to but takes 100% of the credit (and money) for.

im pretty sure 99% of the industry does this. fact is, dre is pretty much a corporation himself at this point. he has handlers and yes men. he had a bunch of corny young white dudes with clipboards going "oh wow andre this track is really kicking!" while hes sitting there trying to mix. i mean.. he let eminem record encore for gods sake... and even rapped with him about playing football naked and shyt he aint perfect.

Everytime i hear that begining of California Love i only see goats for a couple seconds

yo now im gonna hear autotuned* goats from now on that is hilarious lol i never thought of it that way

(i know its a vocoder. "vocoded goats" didnt sound right)

Hes a "victim" of his own success in a way, so far removed from the real world and into corporate $$$ that even some of the beats sound like convoluted excel charts

Meanwhile Tip or Pete or Preemo maintained more of an artistic hip hop head aesthetic to what they do.

I think once it came to stop using samples, he got rid of the people around him making it still sound fire, and he could never be the same producer as much as he wanted to.

Like yeah i get it, he will layer 2000 sounds on top of each other and make it sound clear but the shyt is wack and has no soul.

He kinda went the same route rza went

as far as i know dre still works with his studio musicians. ive followed colin wolfes work since i learned his name. thats the secret sauce generally. colin on bass, dre on the drum machine, and the keyboardist changes a lot... scott storch notably gave 2001 a lot of its flavor. from what i can tell a lot of stuff comes from actually jamming in the studio. i do think he does this less... i remember dre was hanging out with burt bacharach and learning piano and music theory... i think thats why a lot of dre's stuff this century has been kind of... ass? dr dre does not need formal music education! its killing his natural talent!

He’s the Hip Hop Quincy Jones

hes a lil quincy jones, a lil george clinton, maybe a lil phil spector even dre makes some of the biggest drum sounds ever. seriously. i use the track 'genocide' from compton to test speakers when i repair them lol. definitely not his best work but those sub bass frequencies are great. turn it up loud enough and you can feel it in your bloodstream. i love good bass frequencies that just smash you in the chest

The production on Fear of a Black Planet and It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back is way better than anything in Dre's catalog.

PE is one of my favorite old school groups but this is a crazy ass take. are you an undercover rolling stone writer or something??? or in your sixties??

Classic albums. Some of the best ever. No doubt about that.

But the Shocklee's had a 3-4 year run. By '94, they didn't have it anymore. The magic was gone. Chuck said that himself. So they're not in the same league as no damn Dr. Dre when we speak about GOAT's. Chuck himself said that PE had to "move on" from them after the 5th album because their music "didn't have the same effect". The Bomb Squad was the sh*t! But nah.

i thought PE got a slight second wind in the late 90s. the soundtrack to he got game was great and i consider it a full PE album. theres a poison goin on ended up being one of my favorites (my first PE album, got it from the BMG catalog or something). its telling how PEs sound evolved... after fear of a black planet i think it was just gary g-wiz left, no shocklees. chuck can get a lil preachy but theyre generally things that need to be said. i was kind of hoping PE would get a third act after the new fight the power remix but i wasnt feeling the grid goes down album at ALL

 

[Big Boss]

At 01:29:00 Preemo speaking to some of you about the good Doctor

 

[Awesome Wells]

See!
Exactly, and I’m from VA

Yup, once Dre ain’t have nothing to do with Death Row, Suge made it his mission to smear Dre’s name any way he could

Dre prevailed by staying focused on the music and not the gossip and bullshyt

That's what Rage said in '97, lol.

She said Dre leaving Death Row killed the label. I remember Suge was in The Source talking about how he had a whole team of producers who were better than Dre and how they were going to usher in a new era for the label. We see how that worked out. LOL!!

 

[I love Latina women]

That's what Rage said in '97, lol.

She said Dre leaving Death Row killed the label. I remember Suge was in The Source talking about how he had a whole team of producers who were better than Dre and how they were going to usher in a new era for the label. We see how that worked out. LOL!!

Wow, see! Lol

She was right too

Suge lost focus and lost his way by trying to tear down Dre and Snoop and other former artists and he thought he could thrive off of negativity but he forgot that it was Dre who was the talent and the sound and backbone of what made the label what it was

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

DJ Paul >>>>>>>>

 

[Awesome Wells]

Wow, see! Lol

She was right too

Suge lost focus and lost his way by trying to tear down Dre and Snoop and other former artists and he thought he could thrive off of negativity but he forgot that it was Dre who was the talent and the sound and backbone of what made the label what it was

When they interviewed her for her album dropping, she said the Death Row office didn't even have any workers in it anymore, lol. She said it was an empty office with just a girl answering phones in the front.

Dre leaving was catastrophic for the label. I can see why Suge hates dude so much. LOL!!

 

[I love Latina women]

When they interviewed her for her album dropping, she said the Death Row office didn't even have any workers in it anymore, lol. She said it was an empty office with just a girl answering phones in the front.

Dre leaving was catastrophic for the label. I can see why Suge hates dude so much. LOL!!

I believe it

That’s just sad when you see that envision that image of an empty office with no workers and what use to be


Suge had it all and let it fall right out of his hands over ego, bullying and thugging

 

[Awesome Wells]

I believe it

That’s just sad when you see that envision that image of an empty office with no workers and what use to be


Suge had it all and let it fall right out of his hands over ego, bullying and thugging

That run was way too short.

Death Row had a ridiculous amount of in-house talent. That loss is really on Suge though. He burned down his own empire.

 

[I love Latina women]

That run was way too short.

Death Row had a ridiculous amount of in-house talent. That loss is really on Suge though. He burned down his own empire.

Yeah it was only 4 years

Hell yeah, it was a damn dream team of talent

Suge only has himself to blame no matter how much he tries to point the finger at Dre or Snoop or whoever else he has a bone to pick with at any given day of the week

 

[skillz2]

This here.

The thing that people never mention, is that Dre isn't just making beats. Dude launches whole careers! His students become legends themselves and those legends go off and create other legends. His impact is second to none. Him and Q-Tip are two of the most important producers Hip Hop has ever seen. Nobody has created more classics or legends than they have.

How many classics and careers has this dude been responsible for? That also plays a part in him being the GOAT. Nobody touches this guy.

Tip is one of the goats no doubt but what legends did Tip create that rival the careers that Dre impacted? Dre literally help create global superstars.

And from NY perspective where would you place Marly Marl? Ask Tip, Premier, RZA, Pete Rock & Eric Sermon who inspired you when coming up they all site Marly Marl as an influence. Yes they all surpassed him in 90s but his impact prior shouldn't be forgotten, as he paved they way for those came after him to flourish.

 

[Bondye Vodou]

He’s up there, but Ye Dolf>>>

 

[JustCKing]

I don't think it should even be a question. I mean, he's the only Hip Hop producer to have been behind as many careers, impacted in as many decades, and been as influential for as long.