Dr. Umar Johnson: No African Community Ever Legitimized Being Gay

Samori Toure

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No, they're not. They don't study ancient Egypt for the most part.

And its pretty commonly accepted that Egyptians were black, or at least were dark-skinned.

Read the book posted breh. Several historians wrote about it. Many oral histories are in it. I'm not going to go through and post every single one.

Find an Arab, Hebrew, Spanish or Portugesse writer during previous centuries that traveled through the African continent that points out that conduct. Those parties pointed out that the conduct existed in Europe so that clearly would have stated if it existed in Africa. Clearly If the conduct was there then would have recorded it. These current English and American researchers are pushing a gay agenda to try to fool the Africans into accept this stuff into their societies.
 

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Find an Arab, Hebrew, Spanish or Portugesse writer during previous centuries that traveled through the African continent that points out that conduct. Those parties pointed out that the conduct existed in Europe so that clearly would have stated if it existed in Africa. Clearly If the conduct was there then would have recorded it. These current English and American researchers are pushing a gay agenda to try to fool the Africans into accept this stuff into their societies.

Not true, sodomy was discussed only in terms of governance (punishment) and sexuality was viewed differently than today

Before the eighteenth century, European writings on sexuality were nearly always part of a moral discourse, in which sexual identities, roles, and acts were represented in the terms of a Judeo-Christian code. In this code, all forms of extramarital sexuality and certain forms of marital sexuality were to one degree or another sinful and defiling, and everyone was believed to be at risk for the temptation and lust that led to such acts. The code was uninterested in why some sinners lusted for the same sex and others for the opposite— both were “foulest crimes.” Indeed, the very nature of lust was believed to cause a breakdown of moral consciousness and the ability to discriminate between proper and improper sexual objects. Hence, homosexuality, incest, bestiality, and other sexual acts were all viewed as transgressions that occurred when individuals no longer recognized distinctions of gender, kinship, age, race, and species— an “undifferentiated” state of consciousness that Europeans also attributed to people they considered “primitive.” Only in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries did interest develop in explaining same-sex desire as a special case.

The problem is that many colonial writers were writing about societies already being disrupted and changed by colonialism (and homosexual behavior was harshly regulated in colonial regimes). Regardless, there were many examples of writers viewing what they saw as sexually deviant behavior
Father Antonio Cavazzi’s reaction to the Ganga-Ya-Chibanda, the presiding priest of the Giagues (Imbangala), a group in the Congo region, typifies the European response to African sexual diversity. In his 1687 Istorica de scrizione de’ tre’ regni Congo, Matamba, et Angola. Cavazzi described the Ganga-Ya- Chibanda as “a bare-faced, insolent, obscene, extremely villainous, disreputable scoundrel,” who “committed the foulest crimes” with impunity. The funeral rites held for him were so indecent “that the paper dirtied with its description would blush.” According to Cavazzi, the Ganga-Ya-Chibanda routinely cross-dressed and was addressed as “grandmother.” The element chibanda in his title is certainly related to other terms used by Bantu speakers in the region for nonmasculine males who are often shamans and have sex with other men (for example, chibadi, chibado, jimbandaa, hibamba, and quimbanda— see Part III). In Cavazzi’s account, however, the sexuality of the Ganga-Ya-Chibandais ambiguous. Because he freely entered the precincts of secluded women, Cavazzi assumed that he indulged his “brutal passions” with them. But in most cases where males in alternative gender roles have been observed associating with women, the situation is the opposite of what Labat assumed: they enjoyed such access precisely because they lacked (or were assumed to lack) heterosexual desire (for example, the Omani khanith, the mashoga of Mombasa, and the Ila mwaami described in this volume). In any case, Cavazzi’s denunciation did not hinge on the sexual object choice of the Ganga-YaChibanda. Phrases like “foulest crimes” were part of what Guy Poirier has termed a Western “rhetoric of abomination” directed not at particular forms of sexuality but at sexuality in general (1993a: 223). Even so, the influence of moral discourse remained— and remains— strong. Indeed, nearly all the texts that we might use to document and understand African same-sex patterns employ moral rhetoric— from late sixteenth-century Portuguese reports of “unnatural damnation” in Angola (Purchas 1625: 1558), to John Burckhardt’s 1882 report of “detestable vices” in Nubia (64), an 1893 report of copulation contre nature in French Senegal (X 1893: 155-56), and the 1906 report of a German missionary who observed Herrero men forsaking the “natural use of women” (Irle 1906: 58-59).


Funny thing is,

When one reads the more recent statements of Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, in which she describes same-sex relations as “utter filth” and “alien to our culture,” and an alleged homosexual as having “a very serious psychological problem,” it becomes painfully apparent that discourse on African homosexualities has changed little since the time of Father Cavazzi— even though Africans now produce it. The tropes of normal and abnormal, healthy and unhealthy, self and other (although the “other” is now reversed: a debauched West) reiterate a master trope of moral and immoral. European writings on African homosexualities have been eerily consistent over time and across nationality.


I don't have time to bring out every single example of oral history, ethnographic survey, and account. Here, read it and see what you think

http://www.arcados.ch/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/MURRAY-ROSCOE-BOY-WIVES-FEMALE-HUSBANDS-98.pdf
 

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Dumb ass; they didn't have countries back then. Countries with borders are a European colonial creation.

Damn you are stupid.

I was actually referring to now....but countries are now a European creation? Really nikka? So we know that you believe that before whites Africa was a utopia of black love where no negativity existed. Violence and greed were unknown....homosexuality was completely foreign...and the concept of country and borders did not exist.....

Who the fukk do you think you talking too nikka. This is why coming to this board is detrimental to the cause. The amount if oure fukkery and bullshyt some of these nikkas spit. The black race who actually created the concept of civilization(we did) was pure until whitey came and fukked it all up. Smh. Who put whitey in the caucazoid mountains?

Oh and sexual preference is not typically a taught behavior. While it can be learned most people have to have a desire to actually sleep with the same sex. To imply that Africans were somehow exempt from this natural discourse of sexual inhibition because out skin color just somehow didnt allow it is ignorant and completely fukking retarded. It also implys that there is something wrong with homosexuality. Which of course by todays standard of alot of black American males.It signifies weakness....but no one can really say how it was perceived thousands of years ago because no one wqs there. This thread is a bunch of ass betting and sideways talking..on some Donald Trump believe me shyt. Gays been here...its noy about acceptance its about the evidence its exisistence which we can all agree it did. (most of us)..big fukking deal. Black people need to get off these divisive viewpoints and try to find a way to stall out white supremacy. Noy every black man is meant to reproduce....and too many nikkas with kids dony take care if they kids any damn way...but there is no 20 page thread about that shyt is it? But yall worried about gays destroying out race. The fukking idocy


Stepping down off my soap box...
 
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