Drake Breaking Records, Lowest Selling #1 Album Of All Time
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Let me say this as plainly as possible.
RIAA counts streams. Soundscan counts streams. BuzzAngle counts streams.
None of them use the same process to count the streams, though.
BuzzAngle in particular exists in opposition to something like Soundscan. They were literally created, because Soundscan wasn't accurate enough in their opinion. How are you constantly quoting them, and didn't know that?
RIAA doesn't use either of those to determine certification, either.
Why you keep using these numbers like they're interchangeable, I have no idea.
Lastly, I'm not talking about when it was certified. I never said anything about specific dates.
Fred.
Rembrandt
the artist
There are still a few. You have band camp, YouTube, soundcloud, etc. But the majority of people are streaming from the two or three big ones and it really is the best way to track the popularity of music versus straight up album sales.
Apple does have a huge advantage, though and partnering with them gives those artists a pretty nice advantage.
But all certifications have to evolve as customers do. From streaming media to digital downloads
True, but there is a vast difference between Sound Cloud and Apple. It's like comparing an indie local rapper to Jay-Z.
Maybe I'm not explaining myself clearly though. The problem is streaming determines everything now....#1 on Billboard, RIAA certification....basically any aspect of being in the mainstream spotlight. Whereas before there wasn't a single factor that would determine all that, to the extent that streaming now does. That is a major problem with the process.
Fred.
Griffith
Falcon of Light
I'll admit I didn't actually read your post since your last argument was complete garbage. First point aside, access was what I was getting at. Your point right there was in regard to the differences by comparison. The difference is very minuscule since they count their numbers ending at very specific times (in reference to overall figures). Nielson's year is finished at the start of December for example. They don't differ enough to make a difference worth noting because they use the same method; counting retailers with a POS system is the source of their physical sales.Let me say this as plainly as possible.
RIAA counts streams. Soundscan counts streams. BuzzAngle counts streams.
None of them use the same process to count the streams, though.
BuzzAngle in particular exists in opposition to something like Soundscan. They were literally created, because Soundscan wasn't accurate enough in their opinion. How are you constantly quoting them, and didn't know that?
RIAA doesn't use either of those to determine certification, either.
Why you keep using these numbers like they're interchangeable, I have no idea.
Lastly, I'm not talking about when it was certified. I never said anything about specific dates.
Fred.
For even further reference, the remaining small difference in their figures comes from Nielson being slightly stricter
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/...rement/radio/Soundscan-US-Sales-Procedure.pdf
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Methodology - BuzzAngle Music
Album sales tracking
This difference holds even less weight than the counting period as the specific discussion is based on Views. For counting within the first year of its release, sales figures will not make any difference worth noting. Billboard's only possible difference for something like Views position would have been Ariana Grande, even though HDD reported Drake's figures being superior as well. So yes, the numbers do add up.
I'll go ahead and address your other points in this thread as well. Comparing streaming from Spotify and Apple to Tidal literally effects one artist significantly, Beyonce. Rihanna's exclusive release didn't last long enough to make any difference, and Kanye may have lost out on 2 months of fair streaming to compare with Drake, but with virtually no album sales (only super stans are going to purchase the album from his website for 20 dollars), that makes a massive impact on helping his streams.
Going into streaming manipulation and the accuracy of it's usage, it's no different from the purchase of multiple copies through physicals and digitals; physicals do limit 2 sales per purchase, although manipulating that doesn't even need to be said. Both of these are based off crazy stans with the exception of some stream promotion via playlists. The general public's weight above them is infinity superior. AirPlay is even more fabricated of the 3 formats because it comes directly from labels. Payola has been the most common means of manipulating the charts for decades. Justin Timberlake (label) is probably the biggest perpetrator of this in recent times. This is easily detected when daily AirPlay off the first week grow at an unusually high rate and plummet in spins the week after. Streaming's inaccuracy doesn't touch this.
Next, the new system is based off how music is consumed in the current environment. The switch to SPS sales figures is compensation since albums only sell these days with certain demographics. But even more importantly, SPS doesn't simply boost sales figures. Album sales continue to drop drastically year by year because of streaming.
This goes up to 2015, what is it now?
2016 Is Worst Year for Album Sales in Modern Era | Pitchfork
In simpler terms, streaming is killing album sales. Also keep in mind that this year is vastly superior to the last 2 years in terms of big name releases.
I'm not saying we can directly compare Drake's success with those from 5-15 years ago, but it's also not as easy as you're making it out to be. This era in counting sales figures has just as much downs as it has ups. It's not any less impressive by any means.
tl;dr you're wrong