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Where did this chart come from? It is not in the Source link provided.

I would like to read where and how this data was gathered for the chart you posted. The link provided just references a cdc study but does not give any information into how the study was conducted. As i'm sure you know (or maybe you don't) Many states such as Texas are not mandated to report vaccinated cases.
 

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The first video stated: “The B cells can produce the correct antibodies right away, preventing the virus from spreading and making you sick


This vaccine is doing neither. It is, at best at this point, preventing severe illness and hospitalization/death.

the vaccines does reduce the spread of covid.







 
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Where did this chart come from? It is not in the Source link provided.

I would like to read where and how this data was gathered for the chart you posted. The link provided just references a cdc study but does not give any information into how the study was conducted. As i'm sure you know (or maybe you don't) Many states such as Texas are not mandated to report vaccinated cases.

this link is from the short url in the image

Symptomatic breakthrough COVID-19 infections rare, CDC data estimates
 

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the vaccines do reduce the spread of covid.










Do you just be linking random shyt without reading any of it? One of these studies is from January. Pre Delta. This "vaccine" is clearly not anywhere near as effective against Delta. Another is a non-peer reviewed pre-print.

The CDC director literally said on Sunday the vaccine CANNOT stop the transmission of COVID. Those exact words. Even if you think the vaccine does reduce spread SOMEWHAT, it's very minimally. If the vaccine is reducing the spread of COVID to a strong enough degree how do you explain Israel?
 

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Yea but I'm saying where is the data from. All the article says is "according to an unpublished internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention document obtained by ABC News." I don't wanna just read a summary. I wanna see the actual data/study and see how they got the info because again, a lot of states ARE NOT required to report vaccinated COVID positives.
 

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Do you just be linking random shyt without reading any of it? One of these studies is from January. Pre Delta. This "vaccine" is clearly not anywhere near as effective against Delta. Another is a non-peer reviewed pre-print.

The CDC director literally said on Sunday the vaccine CANNOT stop the transmission of COVID. Those exact words. Even if you think the vaccine does reduce spread SOMEWHAT, it's very minimally. If the vaccine is reducing the spread of COVID to a strong enough degree how do you explain Israel?

it's not minimal. :comeon:

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Fourteen days after the healthcare worker received a first COVID-19 vaccine dose, cases of COVID-19 among other household members dropped from 9.40 events per 100 person-years to 5.93. After the second dose, prevalence dropped further, to 2.98 events per 100 person-years, and the researchers say the differences remained after adjusting for calendar time, geographic region, age, sex, occupational and socioeconomic factors, and underlying health conditions.

Overall, the hazard ratio for COVID-19 in household members was 0.70 (95% CI, 0.63 to 0.78) 14 days after the first dose (a 30% risk reduction) and 0.46 (95% CI, 0.30 to 0.70) 14 days after the second dose (54% reduction), which is when the healthcare worker was considered fully vaccinated. Data also suggested that vaccination reduced the number of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations in healthcare workers, as well.

"Not all the cases of COVID-19 in the household members were transmitted from the health care worker; therefore, the effect of vaccination may be larger," the researchers write. "For example, if half the cases in the household members were transmitted from the health care worker, a 60% decrease in cases transmitted from health care workers would need to occur to elicit the association we observed."
COVID vaccines very effective, hinder spread, studies say

Single vaccine dose can reduce COVID-19 transmission by half, UK study finds
 

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Yea but I'm saying where is the data from. All the article says is "according to an unpublished internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention document obtained by ABC News." I don't wanna just read a summary. I wanna see the actual data/study and see how they got the info because again, a lot of states ARE NOT required to report vaccinated COVID positives.

which states?

could only find a similar claim against the CDC

CDC did not stop reporting COVID-19 cases among people who were vaccinated

CLAIM: The CDC will no longer report COVID-19 cases of people who have been vaccinated, only cases of unvaccinated people.

AP ASSESSMENT: False. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports all cases of COVID-19, even if someone has been vaccinated.

THE FACTS: On Tuesday, an Instagram post circulated stating: “The CDC will no longer report covid cases of those who have been vaccinated, only unvaccinated.”

But this claim is not accurate.


COVID-19 is a reportable condition, meaning that by law every positive test must be reported. The National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System requires testing sites and medical facilities to report positive tests to the local health department. They then pass the information to the state health department, which notifies the CDC.

“CDC is not going to stop reporting cases of COVID-19 in any fashion,” says Kristen Nordlund, health communication specialist at the CDC.

However, mild and asymptomatic COVID-19 breakthrough cases, which occur after someone has been fully vaccinated, will no longer be published separately on the CDC’s website. According to the CDC, special surveillance of breakthrough cases was initially set up to identify patterns among individuals who were vaccinated and still got COVID-19. Since an analysis of those cases has not shown any unexpected patterns, the CDC has changed their approach to surveillance.

“CDC and state health departments will be focusing only on investigating vaccine breakthrough cases that result in hospitalization or death,” Nordlund said. “Every breakthrough case of COVID will still be reported. We just won’t call it out in a certain place on the website.”

The move was lauded by infectious disease specialists.

“It has become clear when you have a breakthrough infection in a fully vaccinated individual, that those are clinically insignificant and inconsequential, and not even associated with contagiousness,” said Dr. Amesh Adalja, assistant professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “So the CDC is saying that when you look at breakthrough infections, the ones that are really important are the ones that land people in the hospital, not these asymptomatic cases.”

Among the 95 million individuals fully vaccinated in the U.S. as of April 26, there were only 9,245 breakthrough cases reported to CDC, which accounts for 1/100th of 1% of all vaccinations. The CDC acknowledged this doesn’t represent all breakthrough cases, especially of those who are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. But of those known cases, 835 individuals were reportedly hospitalized with COVID-19 and 132 died.

“No vaccine protects 100% of the time,” Nordlund said. “The COVID vaccines we are using now reduce the risk of infection and the risk of developing COVID disease, dramatically, but they don’t eliminate the risk of infection after exposure to the virus completely.”
 

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The exact words in the first video stated: “The B cells can produce the correct antibodies right away, preventing the virus from spreading and making you sick


This vaccine is doing neither. It is, at best at this point, preventing severe illness and hospitalization/death.


Whoa whoa whoa slow down!! :whoa:

You're moving past what a vaccine is and diving deep into immunology.

Vaccines simply use your bodies immune system to develop antibodies and memory B and T cells.

A high presence of antibodies protects you from symptomatic infection. Antibodies wane whether it be from vaccination or naive infection.

Memory B and T cells provide long lasting immunity AND protect you from severe disease and death. It has already been observed that the 3 vaccines offered in the US induce memory B and T cells and this is even demonstrated by Thier success in preventing severe disease and death months after being vaccinated.

Also, there have been studies that show that 80% of breakthrough cases don't spread it to anyone else
 

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which states?

could only find a similar claim against the CDC

CDC did not stop reporting COVID-19 cases among people who were vaccinated


Every state has its own protocol in place for reporting covid cases/hospitalizations/etc.

For example Texas hospitals are not required to report hospitalizations of vaccinated patients

"DSHS doesn’t track the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations among vaccinated people statewide because hospitals are not required to report that information to the state."

So technically your link is correct but if the hospital is not reporting it to the state, then the state is not reporting it to the CDC, and so the CDC is not publishing complete data.
 

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Whoa whoa whoa slow down!! :whoa:

You're moving past what a vaccine is and diving deep into immunology.

Vaccines simply use your bodies immune system to develop antibodies and memory B and T cells.

A high presence of antibodies protects you from symptomatic infection. Antibodies wane whether it be from vaccination or naive infection.

Memory B and T cells provide long lasting immunity AND protect you from severe disease and death. It has already been observed that the 3 vaccines offered in the US induce memory B and T cells and this is even demonstrated by Thier success in preventing severe disease and death months after being vaccinated.

Also, there have been studies that show that 80% of breakthrough cases don't spread it to anyone else




From the mouth of the CDC director. They cannot prevent transmission anymore. All these old pre-delta studies are irrelevant.

Reducing severity of illness/death is a therapeutic. Not a vaccine.
 

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1.) From the mouth of the CDC director. They cannot prevent transmission anymore. All these old pre-delta studies are irrelevant.

2.) Reducing severity of illness/death is a therapeutic. Not a vaccine.



For point #1, yes I remember that and I think it was a mistake and I have seen other virologists (Vincent Rianciello at Columbia university being the main one) agree that it was a mistake for her to say that as well. She was basing her opinion on a pre print study that stated that the breakthrough cases that occurred in a small Massachusetts town were carrying viral loads similar to infected unvaccinated people. The problem with that pre print study was that it was based on PCR tests which do not differentiate between infectious virions, virions that have been neutralized by antibodies, or ones that have already been destroyed.

Point #2, sarcasm? :patrice:
 
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For point #1, yes I remember that and I think it was a mistake and I have seen other virologists (Vincent Rianciello at Columbia university being the main one) agree that it was a mistake for her to say that as well. She was basing her opinion on a pre print study that stated that the breakthrough cases that occurred in a small Massachusetts town were carrying viral loads similar to infected unvaccinated people. The problem with that pre print study was that it was based on PCR tests which do not differentiate between infectious virions, virions that have been neutralized by antibodies, or ones that have already been destroyed.

Point #2, sarcasm? :patrice:


#1 Has CDC been involved in any recent studies specifically on heavy Delta months (i.e. not studies that begin in January) to take a look at transmission rates?

#2 why would it be sarcasm? if it is only helping with severity of illness (I'm not disputing this btw) it's a therapeutic. It's medicine.
 

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Breh’s really in here arguing “there’s no evidence the lockdown prevented COVID deaths” as if we don’t have entire curves in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths that have moved up and down with masking and social distancing measures.

If 4M people died as we did nothing I guarantee the argument would be “we have no evidence a lockdown would have worked.”

Some brehs have such a poor understanding of statistics and basic science that the only convincing they’ll take is being transported to an alternate timeline. In here typing entire paragraphs just to make it clear they don’t understand how to interpret data or how the world works around them.
 
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