Dropping Super Bowl Banners In 4K, We Done With The 90s - Cowboys @ Eagles NFL Kickoff Game Thread
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Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Barkley had 18 carries for 60 yards and the line was collapsing all second half. AJ Brown had a PFF grade of 54.4 so that means he wasn’t getting open..
We'll see, but I know you'd definitely see it if they had two top WR's, a future HOF HB, and a great OL.
These are the types of games other QBs lose. This was a typical Philly game. Only thing that was surprising is Dallas getting the ball back because they are usually able to run the clock out the last 5 minutes.
He's won 15 starts in a row and has a Super Bowl MVP, but he isn't a great QB.
Black quarterbacks really do have to meet a different set of standards.
He's won 15 starts in a row and has a Super Bowl MVP, but he isn't a great QB.
Black quarterbacks really do have to meet a different set of standards.
What is "great" to you? Lamar is a great QB, despite the lack of a Super Bowl.
Hurts has a Super Bowl victory, and had a much easier path to get there. Other than the tush push, what is one thing Hurts does better than Lamar? You're probably going to say he makes smart decisions and checks down.
I like how you say "he" has won 15 starts in a row when it was Barkley and that defense dominating last year. Yes, Hurts showed up when it mattered most in the playoffs against a wounded Chiefs team. Amazing.
I'm not saying Hurts played poorly. I said he did what he needed to get done and he made good decisions with the ball. I'm not knocking him for that as it's almost the same thing as not criticizing a team for playing who's on their schedule. However, he sure as hell is not some special difference maker.
Put him on Baltimore or Buffalo and those offenses are instantly significantly worse. Put Lamar or Allen in Philly and that offense is significantly more dangerous. That shouldn't even be debatable.
No one is comparing him to Lamar. There's more than 1 great QB in the NFL, and more than one way to be great. Jalen makes plays when his team needs him to, that's what makes him great.
Barkley was stonewalled in the Super Bowl and last night. Jalen still pulled the team to the W, because that's what great QBs do.
Of course there's more than one great QB in the NFL, but if you are saying Hurts is great, then I think you're setting the bar lower than it should be. He makes the plays when his team needs too. You can't knock him for that, but how many other QB's would make those same plays with the weapons he has? Again, you can't knock him for that, but you can't prop him up and ignore that he has elite weapons at the same time and act like he's one of the only QB's that can do what he is doing there.
How many teams trade their current QB for Hurts?
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
No you claimed Hurts had great line, running back and receiver play when he didn’t. Barkley was averaging 3 yards a carry, the line was playing back ups and AJ is clearly hobbled by something.
He literally was the difference maker in this game. His 14 carries 65 yards and two tds and most importantly timely runs were what won the game.
Siriani would put the same limiters on them that he does on Hurts because he wants to win football games and the Eagles game plan is to grind out the clock and play bend but don’t break and make you kick field goals while winning the turnover battle. They’ve solved NFL football as it’s currently being played.
Before last year Hurts had 2 seasons of throwing for 3,700 yards. One of those seasons he took his team to the Super Bowl and lost on a fluke while throwing for 300 yards and rushing for 70 and 3 tds. So it’s clear he can put up big numbers if he has to.
Would Allen and Lamar put up bigger numbers and stats? Maybe. Would it equal winning football? Looking at their playoff wins. No.
I never said he had great HB and WR play last night. Show me where I said that was the case for the game last night? I said he has a HOF HB and two great WR's. I never said that's how they played last night. Trying to twist my words to make some ridiculous and fictitious point.
There is a 100% chance the Eagles would trade Hurts for Lamar/Allen (not factoring in cap hits). There is a 0% chance the Ravens and Bills would make that trade. You are delusional if you don't think that's the case. You're being ridiculous saying they wouldn't equate to winning football. If they had the weapons the Eagles have on both sides of the ball and could go through a significantly easier conference than the Ravens/Bills currently go through, they'd absolutely have winning success.
Hurts got the job done, but to act like Lamar/Allen wouldn't in the same situation and that Hurts would thrive in Baltimore/Buffalo is laughable.
Edit: Not going to go back and forth on this anymore. Hurts played well, and he's gotten it done before, but for you and others to have zero nuance when it comes to discussing him is absurd. And, to think for one second that the Eagles wouldn't trade him for Lamar/Allen and that they would not make that offense significantly better is even more ridiculous.
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Bboystyle
FIRE MATT LAFLEUR
Hurts is like Russell Wilson 2.0
Put him on a great team, he will get the job done. Aint nothing wrong with that
etrofllenrod504
Superstar
Stop stop stop and stop some more
…..despite a Super Bowl. Naaaaa Breh Breh ain’t no despite a super bowl and all that easy path bullshyt. NFL BUILT on parity and its lose one and go home. He didn’t have Saquon in 2022 what happen then? You become GREAT by performing great in big moments. He’s performed GREAT twice in the biggest moment the nfl has to offer. All the goofy goals post moving yall do to try to disqualify Jalen is hilarious . Despite a Super Bowl? Now a Super Bowl and being a superbowl mvp just whatever cause it don’t fit ya narrative. I see ya play boy 
VegetasHairline
Veteran
Id be hating too knowing devito is the backup if maye doesn't take that giant step forward this season lol