Even Lincoln tried to deport freedmen to Haiti after the CW

[Mister Terrific]

The context is that its been pushed that Lincoln was some abolitionist when he wasn’t. If Lincoln could have kept slavery going and preserved the Union he would have done so.

Lincoln was politicking. A good portion of the North and many Republicans were pro or indifferent to slavery. He needed them at the beginning of the war. When they were no longer expedient he ended slavery immediately.


In fact the very quote you gave was made after Lincoln had already drafted the emancipation proclamation. Was Lincoln a John Brown or Thaddeus Stevens? (the most underrated white man in history). No, he by todays standards would be considered a bigot at best. However, he wasn’t evil and saw slavery for the horror it was

Abraham Lincoln was opposed to slavery for moral reasons.


You know I dislike slavery....I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio, there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continued torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border....As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.


In terms of equality. I think his view there is best summed up by his opening statement in the first Lincoln-Douglas Debate:

I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races.... But I hold that ... there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.



By the time of his death, Lincoln supported suffrage for at least black Union veterans. John Wilkes Booth famously retorted to Lincoln's opinion: "That means n***** citizenship. Now by God I’ll put him through!"


Four days later, Booth killed him.

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

nikkas wanted a white man in the mid 1800s to be a coli militant

The way he went about what he did was smart as hell and if it was any other way nikkas would’ve been slaves until ‘95

 

[saturn7]

nikkas wanted a white man in the mid 1800s to be a coli militant

The way he went about what he did was smart as hell and if it was any other way nikkas would’ve been slaves until ‘95

Outrage culture at it's finest.
People love looking for shyt to cry about but never consider the alternative. Like what if Lincoln lost the 1864 election?

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Lincoln also didn’t want to end slavery and wanted to send Black people to central America.

nikka had a whole meeting with Fredrick douglas


Tried to convince him and a couple other black dudes to goto the south talk to those fightin for the confederate n get slaves

To come up n help the union n when it was all over they will get shipped to Latin America

That fool fred was like n leave my white women up here

Wha if I get caught on ya dummy mission

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Who did Lincoln say that to?

Abraham Lincoln papers: Series 2. General Correspondence. 1858-1864: Abraham Lincoln to Horace Greeley, Friday, August 22, 1862 (Clipping from Aug. 23, 1862 Daily National Intelligencer, Washington, D.C.)

 

[saturn7]

The context is that its been pushed that Lincoln was some abolitionist when he wasn’t. If Lincoln could have kept slavery going and preserved the Union he would have done so.

That was not his position throughout the entire Civil War. Mid way through he realized the Union could not be re-unified with the institution of slavery still in existence.

I think most people understand that. If the Union does not win the Civil War all this other shyt is moot.

 

[TheKongoEmpire]

 

[Won Won]

Lincoln himself said if he could end the war without freeing ONE slave he would’ve done so.

Abraham Lincoln didn’t give one fukk about black people

We don’t need to act like CACs and cherry pick sentences to make a point

If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

 

[Ziggiy]

We don’t need to act like CACs and cherry pick sentences to make a point

Where did I cherry pick? I quoted the EXACT SAME thing you did.


Abraham Lincoln wouldn’t have lifted a finger to free slaves if the Union could have been preserved whilst keeping black people enslaved. He didn’t want to free black people he was strictly about keeping the Union intact so for him it was the lessor of evils

 

[BulletProof]

Lincoln himself said if he could end the war without freeing ONE slave he would’ve done so.

Abraham Lincoln didn’t give one fukk about black people

That's out of context.

He said, "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

He was saying as president of the United States, his priority first and foremost was to do his best to keep the country intact.

That said he didnt particularly care much about the black plight. He felt that every man either black or white should have a fundamental freedom to better themselves.

But by no means did he mean for black men to have equal rights to white men (keep in mind this leaves women of any race out of the discussion). They were not to have equal footing in a society that was institutionally white. He also felt, due to this disparity, that black and white people could never co-exist peacefully mainly because of white hostility.

The reality of that lead Lincoln to entertain the idea of FREEING the slaves and then sending them to Liberia and Central America to start colonies where they would have a chance at a better life away from whites.

Lincoln felt that it would be impossible for former slaves to assimilate to a free white society now. In his mind everybody would be happy. That seems to be all he could hope for hence the quote above.

It almost came closer to fruition until countries in Central America made it very clear that such efforts would be met with hostility.

Lincoln wasn't a Saint of a man, a hero, or black people's cool white uncle, he was human being in an impossible time trying to figure it out as he went along. Lincoln never was nor did he try to be some "Moses" esque figure.

He didnt know this distorted history would be his legacy anymore than he knew he'd get clapped at the movies. He kind of had a lot going on in the day to day.

 

[Child_Of_God]

Frederick also opposed going to Liberia because he preferred to stay in the US and be around cacs so he could pawg.

Frederick was half white himself.