“Every culture and tribe starts from a language. Outside of English was language do Black Americans (FBA) speak? Black Americans have no culture”

[Bigblackted4]

We don’t have a language we do have a slang and we are the biggest creators of one of the most influential things you can do with language and that’s music!

 

[010101]

Easy to say when it's not your culture being disrespected.

disrespect is abundant in every direction

i respect myself

so i can navigate everything

*

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I was alerted to this clip somehow via YT...I was wondering if a thread about it was on here

 

[Neuromancer]

I was alerted to this clip somehow via YT...I was wondering if a thread about it was on here

What is your take on it?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

What is your take on it?

He's an idiot but I'm not shocked. I've seen "outsiders" make similar arguments on/about FBAs on this very site

 

[3rdWorld]

He's retarded and exemplifies everything wrong with the Internet..not every clown should have a public voice.

Native African languages were tightly suppressed in every part of the America's where people were taken, from the West Indies, Latin America and the US.
It was obviously a form of control.

 

[blackestofpanthers]

@Jazzy B. @Knicksman20 @HarlemHottie @kingofnyc @K.O.N.Y @parallax @Kiyoshi-Dono notice the difference in tone and posts when it’s a thread about a non afram/ados/fba speaking ill of black Americans. Everyone is so understanding of how it’s just an individual and you shouldn’t blame an entire group. Let it be the other way around like in this thread though https://www.thecoli.com/threads/fba-twitter-tired-of-godfrey.1096740/

 

[parallax]

@Jazzy B. @Knicksman20 @HarlemHottie @kingofnyc @K.O.N.Y @parallax @Kiyoshi-Dono notice the difference in tone and posts when it’s a thread about a non afram/ados/fba speaking ill of black Americans. Everyone is so understanding of how it’s just an individual and you shouldn’t blame an entire group. Let it be the other way around like in this thread though https://www.thecoli.com/threads/fba-twitter-tired-of-godfrey.1096740/

ive definetely noticed. the black scots thread is another. in what should have been a goofy thread quickly turned into finger wagging about how ignorant black americans are. but the same people will go on and say fba are the most divisive group. its honestly whatever at this point. the same energy will never be kept so all their looking down on us shyt is just sad

 

[ReasonableMatic]

Tbf alot of black people in those countries you named do speak other languages. For example in Colombia there's 4 different types of black communities and they all got different type of languages

nikkas can get mad but reality is that's different than just having some words that you say in your hood while mainly talking English

Source for this? And these need to be distinct languages, not dialects or variations of Spanish.

There’s a caribbean descended community that speaks a English creole, there’s a community that speaks a spanish creole, and the spanish speaking community but I don’t know what the 4th is.

Palenquero (Spanish-based Creole)


San Andres Creole (English-based Creole)


Colombian Spanish


ATR Ritual language of Afro-Colombians.

 

[The Burger King]

Palenquero (Spanish-based Creole)


San Andres Creole (English-based Creole)


Colombian Spanish


ATR Ritual language of Afro-Colombians.

Already addressed this, it doesn’t prove his point.

Spanish based Creole is still Spanish. It’s not a totally different language from Spanish itself. It’s a dialect. Black Americans have regional dialects as well, you can see it if you go to places like New Orleans or South Carolina.

San Andres creole is spoken in a Colombian territory, that’s the equivalent of black American trying to say “black Americans speak several languages, Puerto Ricans speak Spanish.”

 

[ReasonableMatic]

Already addressed this, it doesn’t prove his point.

Spanish based Creole is still Spanish. It’s not a totally different language from Spanish itself. It’s a dialect. Black Americans have regional dialects as well, you can see it if you go to places like New Orleans or South Carolina.

San Andres creole is spoken in a Colombian territory, that’s the equivalent of black American trying to say “black Americans speak several languages, Puerto Ricans speak Spanish.”

I never said there are no regional differences,
you’re arguing a point I never made LOL.

A question was posed asking which languages were spoken in Colombia and I answered.

No. Palenquero and Spanish, it’s lexifier are NOT the same.

They’re not even mutually intelligible.

All this being said, I hate how the conversation tried to use languages as a means to try to validate and invalidate people.

It’s dumb and the Nigerian that is posted is a prime example of a lost nikka looking at the Diaspora through a colonial lens.

African Americans like any other Afro-Diasporic ethnic group are valid.

Language isn’t a marker of validity of the Diaspora. The end.

You should get into Creole languages.
It’s the most fascinating thing to study imo, you would LOVE it.

Because it shows how our African Ancestors thought.
And how those African Ancestors way of thinking manifested itself in us throughout the Americas in a completely new location among different Central and West-Africans.

So, what does this mean?

This means that certain African words would get preserved the exact same or in Creolized forms.

But one of the most fascinating things.

Is that even Colonial languages would get used in African ways outside of the structure of their European origin.

For instance, English verbs would get restructured to multi-functional use cases and become nouns, or progressive markers.

Sometimes even having 3 or 4 other functions outside of the original English or French context running parallel with the meaning and use cases of our Ancestral African languages directly.

Where Haitian Creole and Sranantongo from Surinam are the most radical Creoles in the Diaspora, meaning that they retained the most African features.

Jamaican Patois, Gullah and AAVE were in more proximity to its Colonial languages (English) and each decreolized in different degrees.

That’s why some Creole languages are closer to their lexifier than others in various degrees. Some decreolizing to dialects of English, but all retained African features that in some cases run parallel.

Like the zero-marked copula in AAVE

“He my brother” | 0 = is

Or zero-marked verbs in AAVE

“They working today” | 0 = are

And these features manifested throughout the WHOLE African Diaspora in the Americas, because we’re all of African descent.

Meaning, how we think is literally African, no matter where in the Americas we ended up from Central & West Africa.

It’s fascinating as hell.

Our Ancestors were smart as hell in creating new languages among eachother under those conditions.

Once you go down that rabbithole, it’s a whole nother endless amount of historical and linguistic evidence found that in detail explains why those “we not from Africa” koons are ridiculous.

Our Africanness is literally in the way we think and speak.

Exactly. And pay attention to what you just said, it saves time.

This was an intentional thing.

Creole languages have the common phenomenon of making things efficient and practical.

Especially because it was Central and West-Africans who spoke different languages needing and wanting to communicate with eachother.

That’s why there are so many contractions in Creole languages too.

/ You ain’t even = yeen (AAVE) ️
être après = ap (Haitian Creole)
Go away = gwe (Surinamese Creole)

Just look at the beauty of efficiency on display, it’s elite.

And about the stigma, I think the lens needs to change.

Yes, the ppl that created AAVE and other Creole languages were enslaved Africans, but how powerful and inspiring is it that they were able to create AAVE and other Creole languages under the condition of enslavement.

That ain’t something to be ashamed for.

It’s a testament of their resilience and intelligence.

There’s power and value in that shared historical context that is crucial to center.

The Nigerian in the video OP posted is a KOON. Simple.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Already addressed this, it doesn’t prove his point.

Spanish based Creole is still Spanish. It’s not a totally different language from Spanish itself. It’s a dialect. Black Americans have regional dialects as well, you can see it if you go to places like New Orleans or South Carolina.

San Andres creole is spoken in a Colombian territory, that’s the equivalent of black American trying to say “black Americans speak several languages, Puerto Ricans speak Spanish.”

Correct. There are no Spanish Creoles in the New World outside of Palenquero.

Puerto Rican Spanish
Dominican Spanish
Mexican Spanish
Venezuelan Spanish
Peruvian Spanish
etc.....

equate to DIALECTS of Spanish...NOT NEW LANGUAGES if we go by the strict definition of a distinct language

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there are tons of English-based Creoles in the New World (Jamaican Patois and FBA Gullah being 2 examples)

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The question of whether AAVE is its own language is a matter if it cold be understood by an outsider to the dialect (AAVE can be described as a Dialect of English (Southern American to exact))







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AAVE also has regional variance

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FBA slang/jargon/jive etc... is a subset of AAVE...IT IS NOT THE FOUNDATION TO AAVE THOUGH!!!!!!

 

[feelosofer]

That was a not a well thought out comment. The first thing the slave masters did was strip us of our language, culture and religions and the same was done in a lot of African countries when they were colonized.

 

[The Burger King]

I never said there are no regional differences,
you’re arguing a point I never made LOL.

A question was posed asking which languages were spoken in Colombia and I answered.

No. Palenquero and Spanish, it’s lexifier are NOT the same.

They’re not even mutually intelligible.

All this being said, I hate how the conversation tried to use languages as a means to try to validate and invalidate people.

It’s dumb and the Nigerian that is posted is a prime example of a lost nikka looking at the Diaspora through a colonial lens.

African Americans like any other Afro-Diasporic ethnic group are valid.

Language isn’t a marker of validity of the Diaspora. The end.


The Nigerian in the video OP posted is a KOON. Simple.

So then you basically made an unnecessary reply.

No disrespect to you personally, because overall you are a solid poster. But it seems like sometimes you have a knee jerk reaction to try and disprove anything anyone might say that advocates for the legitimacy of a delineated FBA/ADOS identity.

A “Spanish-based Creole language” is still a form of Spanish. It is not an entirely different language (the claim that old boy made) and trying to argue otherwise is a slippery slope.

Whether or not it’s “intelligible” is irrelevant to the argument being made if the basis for the language is still the same. It’s still the same language, but in a different dialect.

Some of the “differences” outlined in the graphic you posted is a result of:

- Certain Spanish words being substituted out for other Spanish words or multiple words/phrases being combined.

- Words from various African languages (and likely some Arawak as well) being utilized in conjunction with their version of Spanish.

- The fact that languages often change and adapt based on the culture of the region in which they’re spoken. How Spanish is spoken in some Latin American cultures can be considered “impolite” or “ignorant” by people from Spain.

The same factors come into play in how Americans (black Americans within the context of this conversation) speak English.

Just as an example, I live in the south. it’s not uncommon to hear a black person down here say something like “I ain’t finna do allat” when they don’t want to do something.

If we didn’t have the internet and our media wasn’t so pervasive, I highly doubt someone from Great Britain would be able to understand that the person is saying “I am not going to do what you requested.”

But it’s still not an entirely different language, it’s a different dialect.

I live in Texas, there’s an entire town near Austin where most of the CACs can directly trace their ancestry back to Germany.

Many of the CACs there can speak fluent German, but it’s somewhat unintelligible to actual Germans in/from Germany.

Their ancestors left Germany decades ago, the German spoken in modern-day Germany has changed since then and our cultural norms (which affect language) here in Texas are different.

Guess what? Both are still speaking the same language, just different dialects.

He made the claim they’re speaking different languages, they’re not.

 

[010101]

culture comes from physical space*