Exercise your 2nd Amendment rights brehs.
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I'd be down for a rifle but I don't want a shotgun I live in an apartment now. Maybe a condo soon. If I got a rifle it'd be an AR.
I'm not even big on guns but I've slowly turned to being pro 2A because of all the killing of blacks in America. fukk that not going to let gun control not let me get one.
The grips and sights on this are AMAZING.
Yeah I just don't like shotties I dunno haha. The time I shot one I failed at it. I can work and train with a 9mm and be decent at it. Me practicing with the 226 Legion
I don't want any rifle right now at the moment because being in an apartment I feel like I can grab a handgun and prepare it much easier than a shotgun.
But some say shotguns will not pierce through drywall. A 9mm is a high velocity round that will but I can get self defense rounds that will not piece as well through it.
Not sure yet. I'm not the most comfortable with firearms but I'm starting to get more comfortable with them. I think a handgun at first is what I would be the most comfortable with.
ARs I like and they are fun IMO but maybe when I live in a home or something..
Yeah I just don't like shotties I dunno haha. The time I shot one I failed at it. I can work and train with a 9mm and be decent at it. Me practicing with the 226 Legion
I don't want any rifle right now at the moment because being in an apartment I feel like I can grab a handgun and prepare it much easier than a shotgun.
But some say shotguns will not pierce through drywall. A 9mm is a high velocity round that will but I can get self defense rounds that will not piece as well through it.
Not sure yet. I'm not the most comfortable with firearms but I'm starting to get more comfortable with them. I think a handgun at first is what I would be the most comfortable with.
ARs I like and they are fun IMO but maybe when I live in a home or something..
Interesting.
I ain't against guns, I own two myself, though I keep them in a secure location.
But anyone who thinks owning a gun will actually make them "safer" is going against every single bit of evidence out there. It's tough to think of realistic situations that actually occur, in the suburbs or in the hood, where the knowledge that you are packing doesn't make you more likely to get capped rather than less.
But anyone who thinks owning a gun will actually make them "safer" is going against every single bit of evidence out there. It's tough to think of realistic situations that actually occur, in the suburbs or in the hood, where the knowledge that you are packing doesn't make you more likely to get capped rather than less.
Go on...I'm listening. I do wonder if say someone actually professed they owned a gun that if it would actually INVITE violence as a result.
I intend on taking safety course and taking all the precautions. Locking things up, etc. I do feel that I should at least own one weapon...just in case. Does that make sense?
It makes sense, especially in a vacuum. (Or in NRA-fueled America where the safety aspect of guns is constantly broadcast.) Most of the rest of the world thinks it's ridiculous.
But life without a gun isn't a walking time bomb either. And overall, I'm fairly certain that almost any situation becomes more dangerous when your gun is introduced. I am willing to own/use guns despite their risk, not in order to alleviate risk.
For me, the main risks of a gun are this:
1) In a nonviolent situation, you invite the introduction of violence.
This depends on where you live and what people know of you, of course. But if you live in a high-crime neighborhood, then guns are going to be one of the prime robbery targets.
2) In a potentially violent situation, they escalate the possibility of violence.
This partially comes from the other side - if someone is feeling threatened enough to cap you, then they're going to feel more threatened if they know you have a gun. And this partially comes from your own side - when you don't have a gun, you do everything possible to avoid that kind of violence, and 99.9% of the time there ain't shyt that happens because humans aren't usually about killing each other. In the vast majority of times when someone gets capped, either both sides had done some shyt to escalate it, or someone just popped the other in a scenario where the victim couldn't do shyt at all. The opportunities out there where someone wants to cap you even if you weren't packing, but they'll give you time to get out your gun and use it effectively, without that process making you more likely to get shot sooner, are rare as hell.
The prime example of "this is why guns are necessary" by self-defense-nuts is the Zimmerman-type shyt. Some dude gets in a fistfight with another dude that he started, starts losing, and brings the heat. In reality, the worst-case scenario without the gun is that he would have caught a black eye and a broken nose. That's how 99% of those situations end. But have a gun on you, and all the sudden it's "but but but my life was in danger!"
And then, of course, there's the cops. Yeah, unarmed dudes are getting murked by cops on the regular nowadays. But armed dudes, even those who don't pose a threat, are still getting murked MUCH more frequently. If shyt goes down, and you're standing around holding a gun, you a lot more likely to end up with a cop's sights aimed on you than if you aren't holding a gun. Especially if you're Black.
3) If you have a family and anyone in the family has a potentially suicidal situation, guns make suicide FAR more likely.
Most people, when they try to commit suicide, fail. And when the fail, they usually don't do it again, because the actual desire to commit that shyt is a fleeting moment.
Only 20% of suicide attempts are successful. Killing yourself with pills or a rope or a knife or a jump isn't actually easy. But 90% of suicide attempts with guns are successful. That's why people with guns in the home are 3-5 times more likely to off themselves than people without. It's not that guns make your suicide attempt more likely, it's that they make the attempts more likely to result in death.
Of course, if you live alone and are absolutely certain you'd never do that to yourself, then no worries. But if you have a family member, I just have to say that you never really ever know for sure that your wife/girlfriend or son or daughter won't be going through some shyt one day, and if they know where the gun is and how to use it...
4) Accidents. Actual deaths due to accidental firing are pretty rare, and I don't actually worry about those too much. But accidental uses of guns that result in someone dying who never should have are way too common. You see this a hell of a lot even with police, who are as well-trained as it gets, yet they're popping off innocent people all the time. And it doesn't get covered by the news as much, but everyday people do that too.
17-year-old Leo Stay shot by brother who thought he was intruder
27-year-old Ashley Doby shot by mother who thought she was intruder
23-year-old Felicia Huffman shot by ex-boyfriend who thought she was intruder
Those three deaths happened in just SIX MONTHS, all in the Orlando area. The third one is a bit suspect, but the first two are definitely genuine accidents. In the 2nd one, the mother who shot was a 911 dispatcher and the dad was a cop, so you know they were knowledgeable...and yet they F'd up as big as it gets.
And, of course, this one has become famous:
Good Guy with a Gun shoots carjacking victim in head, then flees
The truth is, you will NEVER get the chance to practice using your gun in a real life-and-death scenario until it happens. Even the most hardcore military/police training out there doesn't mimic the real thing, and with the real thing there's a thousand ways for it to go bad. Plus, chances are, you ain't getting any hardcore training, just some basic safety shyt.
Like I said, I ain't against gun ownership. But no matter what precautions you take, don't think it's actually making you safer. You own guns despite the risks, not because of them.
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Thank you I REALLY appreciate the well thought out response. I will say as a person who rarely grew up around guns (despite some family being in Law Enforcement and Military) I was intimidated by them. I saw them here and there and knew not to touch them. They frightened me. I didn't start shooting guns until three years ago (I'm in my early 30s) and have shot an AR, Shotgun, a few 45s, 9mms...
Also I've been depressed in the past. I will be frank that I have never attempted suicide but I've maybe perhaps had some level of ideation. I don't think I would ever kill myself or kill a loved one in a heightened situation BUT with a gun my friend was saying that a gun makes it so easy to do this, to end a life. I think this has to do with my fear of guns honestly.
I'm all for personal protection though. I've trained years in martial arts, I've even competed in Mixed Martial Arts. I love my loved ones and would die for them in order to protect them. Right now I live by myself and I do fear a home invasion. My friends joke around saying "you're a big guy, you'd probably choke the guy out or knock them out". I even chuckle at the notion being that I'm an extreme night owl and feel if someone tried anything at night it'd be bad news for them.
But still I think maybe perhaps I need a gun in light of what's going on. I could be totally wrong though which is why I appreciate your perspective.
Also I've been depressed in the past. I will be frank that I have never attempted suicide but I've maybe perhaps had some level of ideation. I don't think I would ever kill myself or kill a loved one in a heightened situation BUT with a gun my friend was saying that a gun makes it so easy to do this, to end a life. I think this has to do with my fear of guns honestly.
I'm all for personal protection though. I've trained years in martial arts, I've even competed in Mixed Martial Arts. I love my loved ones and would die for them in order to protect them. Right now I live by myself and I do fear a home invasion. My friends joke around saying "you're a big guy, you'd probably choke the guy out or knock them out". I even chuckle at the notion being that I'm an extreme night owl and feel if someone tried anything at night it'd be bad news for them.
But still I think maybe perhaps I need a gun in light of what's going on. I could be totally wrong though which is why I appreciate your perspective.
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I already got two, but this thread making me wanna get another one.