explain royalties/masters and how is it important to the artist

[cleanface coney]

damn man this ngga droppin some real shyt in here

honestly if i was a rapper i rather get backed by a street nikka then a label
depending on who backin you, you prolly got more control over your image and maybe your money imo...you got less to work with but the money gone be tied in wit yours so you gone be on the grind

@Venem you know why Irv,Prince, and Suge aint get that label started?

 

[Turbulent]

And this is the problem / reason why the game is like this. A recording contact is longer than a car loan contract. And who even understands that.

The lawyer isn't always at fault. Most lawyers don't ask for upfront money. You say you have a 200k contract on the table and can they represent you. They will but they tell you what they want once you sign. So already their incentive is for you to sign. They don't want to say no no and then get no money. Not when they can say yes and continue to rape you for years. Lawyers ain't the most trustworthy people either.

But pretend you have the greatest lawyer ever. You still ain't getting a great contract. Cause industry standard is to fukk you over. So all the lawyer will do is translate. And anything you don't like, you have two options

1 - have some leverage. 10 labels want you. 6 won't give you publishing. 4 will. So play them against each other to get what you want. You're the hot new thing

2 - remain broke and a nobody. Cause you don't have any leverage. Nobody else really wants you. You just got lucky and some a&r thinks you have potential. Well the label don't really care. Either you take this shytty contract or good luck getting another



That's why most bad deals get signed. You can work at McDonald's or you can believe you'll flip this fukked up contract, still make more money than at mcds, and live a fun life. It's not till you realize I have no money, my house and car is in the labels name, and my last record sold 260k copies and the label has put me on the back burner.....

Then you get the crying and blame game. nikka you signed the contract

if you have a good lawyer who's on your side and the label offers you a "bad" deal and there is no bidding war over signing you...(option 2 from your post)

if you still sign, that means the deal no matter how "bad" it is, is still better than not signing it. so in essence it can't be a bad deal. if you value fame and think you can't do it on your own, and if the label provides a better shot at this (in theory cause sometimes they don't even deliver on what they promise, in which case i definitely agree with y'all) but if you consciously sell out your publishing and creative freedom for fame, I just don't see how the label is at fault. You always have a choice.

 

[LilJuicyTaco]

Yeah sounds like he's saying P lost the No Limit catalog through bankruptcy court when the company went under and Beat by the Pound somehow obtained the rights to it (bought it through the courts? already owned a portion and became the de facto controlling party once Percy lost his share? dunno) ...I've seen this video before but forgot all bout it... he was still shytty P tried to black ball them once they left NL

Here's a theory I came up with after reflecting on the video. We all know that P was in the Bay and was making Bay area music up until Bout it got poppin'. Bout it was just a tribute song to New Orleans on a cd full of Bay area music typical to what was coming out at the time.

Is it possible that once Bout it took off P saw the potential of going with New Orleans music but needed a team quickly to capitalize off of its success? What better way than to partner with KLC who already had the production and the roster of New Orleans artist? P already had some money and a spot at Priority to propel the movement so it was a perfect union. Meanwhile everyone thinks P is the man but really it was a joint venture between KLC and P. I don't know how else KLC didn't have any paperwork with P and could retain rights to the No Limit music, unless it was never P's to begin with. Or maybe P got screwed over just like Suge?

damn man this ngga droppin some real shyt in here

honestly if i was a rapper i rather get backed by a street nikka then a label
depending on who backin you, you prolly got more control over your image and maybe your money imo...you got less to work with but the money gone be tied in wit yours so you gone be on the grind

@Venem you know why Irv,Prince, and Suge aint get that label started?

According to Irv Gotti on the RapFix interview he did last year the three of them were going to do a music industry union so artist could be protected even after their career was over or if they were in a slump. Not a label or distribution deal as rumored and the idea was spear headed by Suge Knight. It didn't happen because of Murder Inc.'s legal troubles that came shortly thereafter the plan got put into motion.

 

[LilJuicyTaco]

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[Danie84]

So, I read the part about Michael shutting down toy stores , and his spending habits.

Remember when he was in Harlem with Al Sharpton, and he called Mariah's first husband a (), I believe that amplified the witchhunt to destroy him for good.

So does his cac children inherit the Beatles catalogue, now?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

damn man this ngga droppin some real shyt in here

honestly if i was a rapper i rather get backed by a street nikka then a label
depending on who backin you, you prolly got more control over your image and maybe your money imo...you got less to work with but the money gone be tied in wit yours so you gone be on the grind

@Venem you know why Irv,Prince, and Suge aint get that label started?

most do.. i mean you talking bout thousands of dollars here.. either you rich already, well off , hustling, or got someone backing you... but you need something

mixtape.. lets say 40 dollars an hour, plus 16 hours. 1 song an hour recorded, mixed and mastered (good luck on that tho). then you pay a dj to host.. right now clue, drama, etc gonna run you 5 gs and up. a nobody dj is just that... nobody pays them attention so they not drawing in any fans for you. so why pay them

now you got a mixtape. but you gotta get a cover... 50 and up. then if you had any features from famous people (again to build buzz and grab fans), plus paying for beats (nobody makes mixtapes with others beats all tape).. now you got a cd and a cover


next you need to press it up. 50 cents a copy is what i pay... so $500 for 1000 cds. add in shipping them to stores (if you know any), putting money behind a promo team to blast you online and play on radio (yes there's still payola)... that'll run you another couple thousand.

who got money for that?? and no label, city, or fan will pay you ANY mind unless you did all that. you ain't recording in your house, with dj no name, writing on cd with marker, with a cover your cousin made, and just post links on your twitter and dat piff and think you getting on... ever... EVER


and that's just regular promo... lets not act like dudes ain't paying to open up, paying for magazine interviews, payin for radio spins.... i was just talking to my DJ this weekend. he's heavy in the game. was telling me certain singles and how much money people put behind it in promo... some singles get 40-50k of promotional money alone.


NOW FOR THE CURSE... who is this guy??? the type to hang you off the roof when you wanna get a new deal? the type to block all new deals cause you signed a 5 album contract for 5k with "in the hood records" you see all these cases of famous people, get their deal, and some nobody pops up like, "he on my label, i need a cut" that's the guy you thought was cool and helping you, who now feels you owe him 50% of everything cause some shytty hood deal you signed when you never thought you'd go anywhere.

the other guy told you about the label... he's basically right. same thing master p said.. all these black labels and not a single distribution company. that's where the money is... sony makes a cd, then gives it to the distributor, who gets it to all the stores worldwide. so you coming up on your own, you still gotta go to them for distribution. so they'll get their money there. there's only 4-5 major labels. they been around forever so they good with the distributors.. doing a lot of billion dollar business gets your perks.. perks that you won't have. so you gonna have to go through a middle man.... at which point they want something bigger...

 

[Da King]

80s bands that were one hit wonders still good because they either have royalties or masters (not likely)


so every time you hear that track in a movie, commercial.... they getting paid.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

if you have a good lawyer who's on your side and the label offers you a "bad" deal and there is no bidding war over signing you...(option 2 from your post)

if you still sign, that means the deal no matter how "bad" it is, is still better than not signing it. so in essence it can't be a bad deal. if you value fame and think you can't do it on your own, and if the label provides a better shot at this (in theory cause sometimes they don't even deliver on what they promise, in which case i definitely agree with y'all) but if you consciously sell out your publishing and creative freedom for fame, I just don't see how the label is at fault. You always have a choice.

you're right that you signed it.. that's what most labels will tell you...

but where people get so mad is, you know you doing me wrong.. you bring me in and say, we love you, you're family, we wanna suck your dikk. at the same time sliding the artist (maybe 15, maybe 45, might be dumb, might be broke, might have cancer).... but you sliding him a 100 page contract, running your mouth off like the guy at the end of car commercials.

at the same time this person been DREAMING about this moment. day and night, working hard, killing themselves to get in that sony office. they still amazed that they're there in the first place. they telling you what they gonna do for you (lies) and how much money you'll make (lies). then say, yea we need you to sign this fast cause we looking at a few more people


if you know your phone NEVER rang from another company.. you might not have means or time or strength to say "fukk off" and go get another deal. shyt you don't know if this will ever happen again. you gonna sign it man. i haven't been there but i imagine its hard to look your dream in the face and say "nope" you'll come back better... especially if you worked and funded this for 1-3-5-10 years.

 

[Turbulent]

you're right that you signed it.. that's what most labels will tell you...

but where people get so mad is, you know you doing me wrong.. you bring me in and say, we love you, you're family, we wanna suck your dikk. at the same time sliding the artist (maybe 15, maybe 45, might be dumb, might be broke, might have cancer).... but you sliding him a 100 page contract, running your mouth off like the guy at the end of car commercials.

at the same time this person been DREAMING about this moment. day and night, working hard, killing themselves to get in that sony office. they still amazed that they're there in the first place. they telling you what they gonna do for you (lies) and how much money you'll make (lies). then say, yea we need you to sign this fast cause we looking at a few more people


if you know your phone NEVER rang from another company.. you might not have means or time or strength to say "fukk off" and go get another deal. shyt you don't know if this will ever happen again. you gonna sign it man. i haven't been there but i imagine its hard to look your dream in the face and say "nope" you'll come back better... especially if you worked and funded this for 1-3-5-10 years.

i completely understand what you're saying. I'm not saying it's easy. But if you don't believe in yourself and think you're not worth it, and because of that you sign, is it the labels fault that they believe more in you than you believe in yourself? If you see the label is putting pressure on you to sign a piece of paper "or else..." and you're not willing to take the risk of not doing something that doesn't feel right, then maybe your publishing is the price to pay for a sure shot at being with a major.

 

[Constantine]

Everyone gets shytt* contracts. If you're successful with your first album, what you're supposed to do is renogiate for better terms. All a record contract is is a exclustivity contract. They can prevent you from releasing music, but they can't keep you from touring, or other ancillary revenue streams.

 

[Techniec]

Thats fukked up on so many levels...... one of the worst stories was the Ron Isley Michael Bolton situation...... fukked up on so many levels ... I personally would have put a gun to Boltons head just on general principle...

explain?

 

[Nemesis]

explain?

Ronald Isley sued michael Bolton for copywrite infringement, he won the case and was awarded $5 million dollars....Michael Bolton didnt pay up and Ronald Isley went to court for tax evasion...

His assets plus his publishing was auctioned off to pay the tax debt.....

Michael Bolton bought some of the publishing at a knock down rate... so now he doesnt have to pay a penny

 

[cleanface coney]

fukk it