Farrakhan vs Malcolm X.. Who's the Judas?

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The question proposed doesn't really make sense. A lot of us (not you specifically) base our views of the NOI and Elijah Muhammad off of a Spike Lee joint that is loosely based on a book written in part by Alex Haley.

I had to end your video when you described The Honorable Elijah Muhammad as a pedophile. This is 100% misinformation. There were rumors that Elijah had illegitimate children with young secretaries, but what is young to a 70 year old man? Elijah has never been accused of pedophilia. Furthermore, these rumors have never been proven.

How do we love the students but hate the teacher? How can you love Farrakhan, X and Ali but not love the man that taught them?

Elijah spends the majority of his life raising drug addicts and prostitutes from the dead. giving them knowledge of self, and this is what we reduce him to?

People love Malcolm but never truly read his autobiography.. At least objectively. Malcolm X stated that Elijah Muhammad saved his life. Came to him in a dream. Was a prophet. But at the end of his life he challenged Elijahs teachings and dragged his name through the mud in front of white folks.

Malcolm X was guilty of treason.
 

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Macolm also said in an interview, that he knows what the Nation can and can't do, and the firebombing of his house is something he now believed they didn't do.

Furthermore the house was a Nation of Islam house. The Nation got a court order to have Malcolm removed from the house.. So why would they firebomb their own house. Stop downplaying the role of cointelpro and the FBI in Malcolms assassination.
 

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One of the fundamental teachings of the NOI is the fact that the white man is a devil.

You go to Mecca, return, and state "maybe there are some good white people.." This statesment alone is intended to discredit the entire Nation of Islam. This is treason.

Malcolm was headed toward an integrationist ideology. This brotha was lost without Elijah.
 

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The question proposed doesn't really make sense. A lot of us (not you specifically) base our views of the NOI and Elijah Muhammad off of a Spike Lee joint that is loosely based on a book written in part by Alex Haley.

I had to end your video when you described The Honorable Elijah Muhammad as a pedophile. This is 100% misinformation. There were rumors that Elijah had illegitimate children with young secretaries, but what is young to a 70 year old man? Elijah has never been accused of pedophilia. Furthermore, these rumors have never been proven.

How do we love the students but hate the teacher? How can you love Farrakhan, X and Ali but not love the man that taught them?

Elijah spends the majority of his life raising drug addicts and prostitutes from the dead. giving them knowledge of self, and this is what we reduce him to?

People love Malcolm but never truly read his autobiography.. At least objectively. Malcolm X stated that Elijah Muhammad saved his life. Came to him in a dream. Was a prophet. But at the end of his life he challenged Elijahs teachings and dragged his name through the mud in front of white folks.

Malcolm X was guilty of treason.
I wanted to speak on the bolded part of your comment and put it into a larger context that you may not be aware of. Specifically the context of the brother who made the video. The point here is that those who accuse powerful people of pedophilia are silenced and the accused don't face any sort of prosecution. Hence why he identifies with Malcolm X. Malcolm stated that Elijah had children with underage girls, then he was kilt. That was an accusation of pedophilia btw. At least one man is already dead since they have come forward accusing Afrika Bambatta of the same crime using boys and the man who has made this video now has a hit on him. So if he gets kilt tomorrow and no one stops discussing this topic, I guess that we could brush all of the accusations off as rumor as well? After all Bambatta hasn't been convinced right?

Lastly, even though the NOI doesn't follow Islam to a T, there are many teachings of Islam incorporated into its system beyond its name. No one can deny that. With that being said, how old was the Prophet Muhammad's wife Aisha?
 

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Macolm also said in an interview, that he knows what the Nation can and can't do, and the firebombing of his house is something he now believed they didn't do.

Furthermore the house was a Nation of Islam house. The Nation got a court order to have Malcolm removed from the house.. So why would they firebomb their own house. Stop downplaying the role of cointelpro and the FBI in Malcolms assassination.

Thank you.
 

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One of the fundamental teachings of the NOI is the fact that the white man is a devil.

You go to Mecca, return, and state "maybe there are some good white people.." This statesment alone is intended to discredit the entire Nation of Islam. This is treason.

Malcolm was headed toward an integrationist ideology. This brotha was lost without Elijah.
i think malcolm was playing the game.

i dont think he truly believed any of that shyt about those cacs.
 

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Elijah spends the majority of his life raising drug addicts and prostitutes from the dead. giving them knowledge of self, and this is what we reduce him to?

People love Malcolm but never truly read his autobiography.. At least objectively. Malcolm X stated that Elijah Muhammad saved his life. Came to him in a dream. Was a prophet. But at the end of his life he challenged Elijahs teachings and dragged his name through the mud in front of white folks.

Malcolm X was guilty of treason.
This small part right here
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Is Facts and not up for debate


There is much to this we could debate

But Malcolm being a hypocrite that committed the worst a Black man could do.... (Run to the white media dissing the black man who saved him). Thats just something we need to know as a fact
 

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I wanted to speak on the bolded part of your comment and put it into a larger context that you may not be aware of. Specifically the context of the brother who made the video. The point here is that those who accuse powerful people of pedophilia are silenced and the accused don't face any sort of prosecution. Hence why he identifies with Malcolm X. Malcolm stated that Elijah had children with underage girls, then he was kilt. That was an accusation of pedophilia btw. At least one man is already dead since they have come forward accusing Afrika Bambatta of the same crime using boys and the man who has made this video now has a hit on him. So if he gets kilt tomorrow and no one stops discussing this topic, I guess that we could brush all of the accusations off as rumor as well? After all Bambatta hasn't been convinced right?

Lastly, even though the NOI doesn't follow Islam to a T, there are many teachings of Islam incorporated into its system beyond its name. No one can deny that. With that being said, how old was the Prophet Muhammad's wife Aisha?
1) the actual women The Most Hon Elijah Muhammad had children with spoke to his defense and so did everyone else who was around at the time.

2)Neg for your cac style other comments
 

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One of the fundamental teachings of the NOI is the fact that the white man is a devil.

You go to Mecca, return, and state "maybe there are some good white people.." This statesment alone is intended to discredit the entire Nation of Islam. This is treason.

Malcolm was headed toward an integrationist ideology. This brotha was lost without Elijah.

But Elijah stated there are white Muslims in his book.
 

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This small part right here
...

Is Facts and not up for debate


There is much to this we could debate

But Malcolm being a hypocrite that committed the worst a Black man could do.... (Run to the white media dissing the black man who saved him). Thats just something we need to know as a fact

Exactly.. and he knew better. He spoke about how the media pits black leaders against eachother to cause division for years and its in his book.

In his final years hes all on white media " They killed 2 people up in Harlem, they tried to kill another in the bronx.. He got 3 girls pregnant" etc etc. Not very tasteful at all. Look at his presentation with the nation and subsequent to leaving. It's like night and day. This fool went to the house of the women and interviewed them.. You have to be blind to say he wasn't out of order. This is how you repay a man that literally saved your life? Malcolm said in his book he would have killed anyone who spoke against Elijah... Dont you think other men felt the same way? How do you think other muslims who loved and were loyal to Elijah felt about Xs comments about the Messenger? Elijah didn't have to order the assassination of Malcom.. He actually told his followers to leave him alone. Malcolm is responsible for his own death.
 
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