FBA breh debates Franck Zanu who said FBA are lost and have no culture. Good debate.

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NWB = New World Blacks: Ethnic groups of predominantly West and Central African genetic lineage who descend from the Transatlantic Slave Trade.

but but but what's the inverse pejorative tho

"non-NWB" ain't it

 

[Wiseborn]

Essentially in the first couple of mins, he was shıtting on black Americans and then in the mini clip, he was talking over dude and trying to berate him.

I'm listening to the rest of it but he sounds insufferable and degrading plus he's talking at him not to him. It's disrespectful.

I don't speak that language.

This is like a cac saying Black people have low IQ prove me wrong

To even have the debate is saying that he has a debatable point which he doesn´t.

If dude wants to have a dunkfest on Black Americans that is his right but I´d be damned if I listened to it.

 

[Sccit]

And @Sccit doesn't claim to be a genocide or zionist supporter.

It's all love here. Some discussions don't need to be talked about.

AT LEAST U OPEN BOUT BEIN AN ARAB COLONIZATION SUPPORTER

 

[Peter Popoff]

AT LEAST U OPEN BOUT BEIN AN ARAB COLONIZATION SUPPORTER

Smegma breath!!!

Happy Hannukah!!!

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

He has a misconstrued definition of culture from what I've listened to so far.

Stating that Black Americans have no language is like stating that Americans have no language since they speak English (UK).

That makes absolutely no sense.

Then breaking down food, music, societal differences - that is technically part of culture.

Here's my stance on why I disengage think pieces like this:



When you aide in dehumanizing my ancestors and my people whether aggressively or micro-aggressively, we no longer have a discussion but an argument.

At the bolded part - You summed up Franck's nonsensical position.

 

[Peter Popoff]

This is like a cac saying Black people have low IQ prove me wrong

To even have the debate is saying that he has a debatable point which he doesn´t.

If dude wants to have a dunkfest on Black Americans that is his right but I´d be damned if I listened to it.

Then get mad when people side with Tariq and call them coọns or tethers....which they are.

We have them in every community. They're toxic.

 

[UpThruDere]

Why are we even still having this debate when Black Americans not only have more of a culture than the rest of the diaspora our culture is also the most influential worldwide

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

here he is without his hype men.



i don't 100% agree with zanu but anderson is not equipped for this level of discussion



also:

Here you go with the foolishness

 

[Barlow]

culture: yes have culture. but everyone (more or less) on planet earth already knows all american cultures (due to commercial capitalism) so the culture is largely transparent to outsiders. in other words, the culture has been already exported to the rest of the world, with a commercial bent, and so has been introduced to many as commercialism rather than organic culture. this leads to the confusion. everyone has culture of a sort. if you mean high-minded deep-rooted culture like in europe or africa, then america does not have very much of that. at least i cannot think of ay examples.

lost: yes in some ways but not exactly for the reasons he suggests. but he is on the right path to challenge many of the assumed totems. american culture writ. large is notoriously insular, lacks introspection and is irrational which leads to a surfeit of myths. that is what happens when your economic and educational peers are (at best) thousands of miles away.

post your insights bredrin.

Sounds kinda like you’re wrapping “American culture” into one big ball. But regardless, some of our culture being exported doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s deep rooted and expansive. Just because no one knows or cares about others’ culture doesn’t take away from ours.

What do you mean by high minded and deep rooted? Because it seems like you’re narrowing black American culture down to mainstream hip hop or something. Our culture in this country predates commercialization. Our music comes from our unique experiences in this country. Gospel is a communal survival mechanism rooted in our spiritual resistance to the hardships we faced in slavery, littered with messages of escape and ways to freedom. It birthed blues, jazz, soul, rnb, rock, funk, house, etc… all of the commercialized music people around the world relate to is from our way of thought and interpretation of the world.

We have specific rituals and spiritual practices related to hoodoo. Rituals to bring in the new year, to sustain relationships. Herbal work, psalm spells, Family reunions to unite our sold and lost family. We have deeply expressive dances like juba that came about due to the banning of drums during slavery. Cakewalk to mock plantation owners. Jig, Lindy hop, tap dancing, praise dancing, etc…

We have specific artistic movements like the Harlem renaissance, the Chicago black renaissance, the WPA era, Jazz art, graffiti.

Our literature with the slave narratives writers like Frederick Douglas, Harriet Jacobs. Black folklore with Dora Neal Hurston, Langston Hughes, sterling brown, Richard wright.

Our political and thought movements like abolition, freedmen schools/banks, mutual aid societies, civil rights, the Niagara movement, the black power movement, the black panthers.

Innovation and invention: laser cataract surgery, blood banks, hair care, agriculture, computing, 3d imaging.



I don’t see how all of this isn’t high minded, introspective, and deep rooted. What more do we need?

 

[Wiseborn]

Why are we even still having this debate when Black Americans not only have more of a culture than the rest of the diaspora our culture is also the most influential worldwide

How can you have more of a culture? That´s like saying someone has more of a language or more of a history

we all have the same amount of culture as an eskimo has we have a different culture.

You could say our culture is more widespread but that´s become of american hegemony.

At one point Ancient Roman culture was the most widespead until it wasn´t.

 

[Sccit]

Smegma breath!!!

Happy Hannukah!!!

THANK U, ARAB ZADDY AZZHOLE BREATH

 

[Wiseborn]

Sounds kinda like you’re wrapping “American culture” into one big ball. But regardless, some of our culture being exported doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s deep rooted and expansive. Just because no one knows or cares about others’ culture doesn’t take away from ours.

What do you mean by high minded and deep rooted? Because it seems like you’re narrowing black American culture down to mainstream hip hop or something. Our culture in this country predates commercialization. Our music comes from our unique experiences in this country. Gospel is a communal survival mechanism rooted in our spiritual resistance to the hardships we faced in slavery, littered with messages of escape and ways to freedom. It birthed blues, jazz, soul, rnb, rock, funk, house, etc… all of the commercialized music people around the world relate to is from our way of thought and interpretation of the world.

We have specific rituals and spiritual practices related to hoodoo. Rituals to bring in the new year, to sustain relationships. Herbal work, psalm spells, Family reunions to unite our sold and lost family. We have deeply expressive dances like juba that came about due to the banning of drums during slavery. Cakewalk to mock plantation owners. Jig, Lindy hop, tap dancing, praise dancing, etc…

We have specific artistic movements like the Harlem renaissance, the Chicago black renaissance, the WPA era, Jazz art, graffiti.

Our literature with the slave narratives writers like Frederick Douglas, Harriet Jacobs. Black folklore with Dora Neal Hurston, Langston Hughes, sterling brown, Richard wright.

Our political and thought movements like abolition, freedmen schools/banks, mutual aid societies, civil rights, the Niagara movement, the black power movement, the black panthers.

Innovation and invention: laser cataract surgery, blood banks, hair care, agriculture, computing, 3d imaging.



I don’t see how all of this isn’t high minded, introspective, and deep rooted. What more do we need?

You´re kinda making the panafricanist argument while making the FBA argument here.

Any Historian will tell you the roots of things like Gospel and all the rest.


Lets just say that culture changes with time and circumstance.


Again this is someone trying to prove their humanity to someone else to even engage is an L-

Let the African argue with himself.

This is like trying to teach Black pride to a divestor even if you did convince her why would you want to?

 

[Wiseborn]

I guess if the FBA dude had some snappy comebacks That would constitute a win for the coli in a That´ll show him way.

Clown shyt to me but I guess I get it.

 

[Barlow]

You´re kinda making the panafricanist argument while making the FBA argument here.

Any Historian will tell you the roots of things like Gospel and all the rest.

No, they’ll tell you what they perceive as similar. Its roots are here, otherwise it would have formed in Africa. Without our experience you don’t get gospel and what evolved after.

You don’t get to say we were stripped of our original culture and then say we got everything from Africa. Yall want to give credit to Africa for the barest of minimums like shouting and hitting a drum and call it rooted.

 

[Wiseborn]

No, they’ll tell you what they perceive as similar. Its roots are here, otherwise it would have formed in Africa. Without our experience you don’t get gospel and what evolved after.

You don’t get to say we were stripped of our original culture and then say we got everything from Africa. Yall want to give credit to Africa for the barest of minimums like shouting and hitting a drum and call it rooted.

Well I wouldn´t say we were completely stripped I mean there´s a book called Africanisms in American culture

Africanisms in American culture : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

ix, 436 p. ; 24 cm

archive.org

The idea of being quiet in a thunderstorm which I did as a kid is an Igbo tradition.


Then there´s Go Go Music which sounds not only African but it uses the same instruments with the same emphasis on Congos and Roller Toms as Salsa so if there´s no African influence in American culture then there defenitely shouldn´t be similarities to Afro Latin culture.



But a Great Black American Poet said The Dumb is mostly intrigued by the Drum I mean either that´s true or it´s not.

I do believe the Congo Drum is from the Congo.