FBA breh debates Franck Zanu who said FBA are lost and have no culture. Good debate.

[UpThruDere]

How can you have more of a culture? That´s like saying someone has more of a language or more of a history

we all have the same amount of culture as an eskimo has we have a different culture.

You could say our culture is more widespread but that´s become of american hegemony.

At one point Ancient Roman culture was the most widespead until it wasn´t.

Line our culture up against any other culture and theirs will be outweighed, that’s how

Foreigners talking about culture when they ran away from the lands they’re representing

 

[null]

Sounds kinda like you’re wrapping “American culture” into one big ball. But regardless, some of our culture being exported doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s deep rooted and expansive. Just because no one knows or cares about others’ culture doesn’t take away from ours.

i said almost "all" not "some".

What do you mean by high minded and deep rooted? Because it seems like you’re narrowing black American culture down to mainstream hip hop or something. Our culture in this country predates commercialization. Our music comes from our unique experiences in this country. Gospel is a communal survival mechanism rooted in our spiritual resistance to the hardships we faced in slavery, littered with messages of escape and ways to freedom. It birthed blues, jazz, soul, rnb, rock, funk, house, etc… all of the commercialized music people around the world relate to is from our way of thought and interpretation of the world.

I said "introduced to them commercially"

We have specific rituals and spiritual practices related to hoodoo. Rituals to bring in the new year, to sustain relationships. Herbal work, psalm spells, Family reunions to unite our sold and lost family. We have deeply expressive dances like juba that came about due to the banning of drums during slavery. Cakewalk to mock plantation owners. Jig, Lindy hop, tap dancing, praise dancing, etc…

We have specific artistic movements like the Harlem renaissance, the Chicago black renaissance, the WPA era, Jazz art, graffiti.

Our literature with the slave narratives writers like Frederick Douglas, Harriet Jacobs. Black folklore with Dora Neal Hurston, Langston Hughes, sterling brown, Richard wright.

Our political and thought movements like abolition, freedmen schools/banks, mutual aid societies, civil rights, the Niagara movement, the black power movement, the black panthers.

tell me something like morris dancing



something that people are not going to see everywhere before they even set foot on american soil.

p.s. you know the ideas of universal rights, civil rights in the west came from french thought during the enlightenment.

Innovation and invention: laser cataract surgery, blood banks, hair care, agriculture, computing, 3d imaging.

I don’t see how all of this isn’t high minded, introspective, and deep rooted. What more do we need?

i am not gonna define what high-minded culture is as that is a standard term.

none of those qualify.

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i did not export american culture so look elsewhere for the blame.

your buildings look are a mix of roman and prefab.

your roads are characterless grids.

your food is available everywhere .. and is even more popular in some countries than their own local food.

your supermarkets layouts and mechanisms have been exported and adopted everywhere. shopping cities and centers too.

your office norms open plan have been exported globally. your invention of a computer, mouse, rolodex, phone desk layout adopted everwhere from lands end to peking.

your management beliefs and styles packaged and taught in every major university in the world.

your advertising style - exported and used heavily esp. in the west.

your sports are exported everywhere.

your (american) music is played on radios globally with the exception of country music.

america lacks ancient fables but the strands that exist are told and retold over and over again for the entire world (US slavery, cowboys, civil war, independence)

etc etc etc

if you (americans) had kept all of that to yourselves then people would step off international flights looking at the US like that Ahmish girl's first visit to the airport. stunned at all of the differences. the issue is that 90% of what they see they have already been exposed to.

think scandanavia. what do you know about their norms, business practices, local music, local fables, local food? if you haven't lived there then the answer is probably not much. why? because they have not exported their culture to the entire planet.

if americans invented a new popular local cultural expression of a new sport tomorrow, it would be marketed around the world before the end of the year.

TL;DR

culture is like water to a fish. pre-exposure means it does not appear noticeable. american is the number one country for exporting its culture to the world ERGO loads of people will have been exposed already. that is expected as america is young. older countries are naturally going to have more divergence and more uniqueness because they had more time to do so and didnt commercialise everything.

 

[null]

Let the African argue with himself.

This is like trying to teach Black pride to a divestor even if you did convince her why would you want to?

mr. wise.

no one is arguing with an african here.

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

No, no, no.

If y'all feel like FBAs are trash people with no culture, that's your opinion. I won't go there with you like i would never debate with a Charlie Kirk or Candace Owen.

We'll agree to disagree.

If you got that from this then your own understanding of geopolitics and what it means being within in an empire/hegemony is a failed understanding, that's not what he saying that's what YOUR OWN insecurity/ignorance is saying to yourself.

I understand what he's saying but I don't agree with because fundamentally it doesn't make sense when you analyze history at global scale since life is largely dynamic and not static

mr. wise.

no one is arguing with an african here.

Bro you need to realize Americans both black and white have a warped understanding of this. Go to Europe or Asia and explain this very same concept apple will understand completely at large at what you're trying to say. For some reason Americans take this shyt to a place it doesn't need to go with 0 understanding of how it plays out. The people who live INSIDE the empire can't understand how the people who live OUTSIDE the empire view/experience it. But for some weird reason if you use an entertainment media like Star Wars or Avatar it suddenly it makes sense to them

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

culture: yes have culture. but everyone (more or less) on planet earth already knows all american cultures (due to commercial capitalism) so the culture is largely transparent to outsiders. in other words, the culture has been already exported to the rest of the world, with a commercial bent, and so has been introduced to many as commercialism rather than organic culture. this leads to the confusion. everyone has culture of a sort. if you mean high-minded deep-rooted culture like in europe or africa, then america does not have very much of that. at least i cannot think of ay examples.

lost: yes in some ways but not exactly for the reasons he suggests. but he is on the right path to challenge many of the assumed totems. american culture writ. large is notoriously insular, lacks introspection and is irrational which leads to a surfeit of myths. that is what happens when your economic and educational peers are (at best) thousands of miles away.

post your insights bredrin.

Man shyt the fukk up…..

Black Americans have no culture but you on here as flavorless Euro nikka all in our motherfukking business. Now why is that?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Bro you need to realize Americans both black and white have a warped understanding of this. Go to Europe or Asia and explain this very same concept apple will understand completely at large at what you're trying to say. For some reason Americans take this shyt to a place it doesn't need to go with 0 understanding of how it plays out. The people who live INSIDE the empire can't understand how the people who live OUTSIDE the empire view/experience it. But for some weird reason if you use an entertainment media like Star Wars or Avatar it suddenly it makes sense to them

 

[TheJet]

Tired-aas argument. Black folks made America, and are the most imitated worldwide.

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Man shyt the fukk up…..

Black Americans have no culture but you on here as flavorless Euro nikka all in our motherfukking business. Now why is that?

You are just proving my point, it's pretty clear what you guys are definity as culture and what other ppl have traditionally defined as culture are 2 completely separate things lets start there. Define what it means to have culture

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Tired-aas argument. Black folks made America, and are the most imitated worldwide.

Case closed….

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You are just proving my point, it's pretty clear what you guys are definity as culture and what other ppl are defining as culture are 2 completely separate things lets start there. Define what it means to have culture

Look… I’ve always stated on here that black American culture is in decline…. but In its essence, there are few rivals…. Give me your definition of culture…..

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You are just proving my point, it's pretty clear what you guys are definity as culture and what other ppl have traditionally defined as culture are 2 completely separate things lets start there. Define what it means to have culture

Also… You are on here talking about the so called lack of a cultire that is not yours, as opposed to bigging up or expressing your own culture…. you and that fukk nikka @null that’s evidence of envy at its finest.. cause if our culture wasn’t shyt like yall purport it to be, you wouldn’t even be posting on this site to begin with

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Look… I’ve always stated on here that black American culture is in decline…. but In its essence, there are few rivals…. Give me your definition of culture…..

First foremost culture is just personal Identity develop over generations/lifetimes and plays into one's life style, but other traditional purists would argue with me and say I'm wrong. Imo it can largely be boiled down into these things

-languages
-history
-religious/philosophical values
-food/cuisine
-forms of entertainment (music, theatre, literature)
-lineage

by this definition most people have culture

but most prusirts would say this is not culture because it CAN'T build a nation

which is why I say nation building should be kept separate from culture identity. They server 2 different purposes but some will argue with me and say they go hand in hand because culture is how you begin to a strong national identity

Also… You are on here talking about the so called lack of a cultire that is not yours, as opposed to bigging up or expressing your own culture…. you and that fukk nikka @null that’s evidence of envy at its finest.. cause if our culture wasn’t shyt like yall purport it to be, you wouldn’t even be posting on this site to begin with

I never said any of that YOU came to your own conclusion and assumed I said that. Where did I say that from the get go. Again it's your own insecurity telling you that not me

Again what is culture. You cant define it without a concrete definition. Start there you keep talking in circles

 

[BlackMajik]

FYI

This is what that piece of shyt tether @null said about us brehs

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"Outside of English was language do Black Americans (FBA) speak"?

babble english ..

Muthafukka shouldn't even be on this damn site with rhetoric like this

Mods where you at???

 

[King Poetic]

My issues with black folks outside of the US is many of their opinions of black people here is based off TV/movies/Rap music and dumb ass social media with the office tatum types

 

[Barlow]

Well I wouldn´t say we were completely stripped I mean there´s a book called Africanisms in American culture

Africanisms in American culture : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

ix, 436 p. ; 24 cm

archive.org

The idea of being quiet in a thunderstorm which I did as a kid is an Igbo tradition.


Then there´s Go Go Music which sounds not only African but it uses the same instruments with the same emphasis on Congos and Roller Toms as Salsa so if there´s no African influence in American culture then there defenitely shouldn´t be similarities to Afro Latin culture.



But a Great Black American Poet said The Dumb is mostly intrigued by the Drum I mean either that´s true or it´s not.

I do believe the Congo Drum is from the Congo.

If I buy the ingredients for a lasagna from Walmart that doesn’t mean Walmart made my lasagna.

No gogo musician was listening to African music in their influence. It was funk, James brown and other soul music. It doesn’t “sound African” because of a drum.

p.s. you know the ideas of universal rights, civil rights in the west came from french thought during the enlightenment.

I think you’re afraid to say what you really want to say regarding this “high minded concept” because everything I laid reflects just that. Can you give an example of your “high minded” culture?

So because the French had some abstract thoughts of “rights for all men” that discredits the culture of actually pushing for the rights of every human, including the ones who the French excluded in their thought like slaves, the colonized and women?

i did not export american culture so look elsewhere for the blame.

Never said you did?

your buildings look are a mix of roman and prefab.

your roads are characterless grids.

No idea what this has to do with black American culture.

your food is available everywhere .. and is even more popular in some countries than their own local food.

So because people like soul food and not yours, that means what?

your supermarkets layouts and mechanisms have been exported and adopted everywhere. shopping cities and centers too.

your office norms open plan have been exported globally. your invention of a computer, mouse, rolodex, phone desk layout adopted everwhere from lands end to peking.

your management beliefs and styles packaged and taught in every major university in the world.

your advertising style - exported and used heavily esp. in the west.

your sports are exported everywhere.

your (american) music is played on radios globally with the exception of country music.

1. You’re still packaging America + Black America culture.

And Again what is your point with this “your culture is everywhere narrative”? It’s not our fault people don’t like what you have, nor does it devalue what we created.

america lacks ancient fables but the strands that exist are told and retold over and over again for the entire world (US slavery, cowboys, civil war, independence)

etc etc etc

Well we’re new and yet still created a culture everyone gravitates to.

if you (americans) had kept all of that to yourselves then people would step off international flights looking at the US like that Ahmish girl's first visit to the airport. stunned at all of the differences. the issue is that 90% of what they see they have already been exposed to.

think scandanavia. what do you know about their norms, business practices, local music, local fables, local food? if you haven't lived there then the answer is probably not much. why? because they have not exported their culture to the entire planet.

Ok? So you know a small bit about our culture? What is your point? And people absolutely do step off of planes in excitement when coming to America. That’s why they come in the first place. Otherwise there wouldn’t be a bunch of tourists gawking with their cameras out. Or taking pictures and in amazement when Black Americans visit their countries.

if americans invented a new popular local cultural expression of a new sport tomorrow, it would be marketed around the world before the end of the year.

So?

What exactly is YOUR culture of where you’re from?