Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[Cynical Thoughts]

Never read the whole thing and now that i have, I agree with it more.

Can all the people who reference this speach please point to the actual parts that are upsetting, incorrect, c00nish etc.

http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

....

So...your not black?

 

[Primetime21]

"I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? (clapping) Where were you when he was twelve? (clapping) Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol? (clapping) And where is his father, and why don't you know where he is? And why doesn't the father show up to talk to this boy?"

if only Cosby knew

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

"I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? (clapping) Where were you when he was twelve? (clapping) Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol? (clapping) And where is his father, and why don't you know where he is? And why doesn't the father show up to talk to this boy?"

if only Cosby knew

Knew what breh? About his son getting killed?

Edit:Every mother i see on the news with crocodile tears, claiming he was a good kid are usually the ones with the record and moms know damn well what he was into. Ironically those the ones who upset the most.

 

[spliz]

Maybe cause it was condescending..judgemental..stereotypical and hypocritical?...

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

Maybe cause it was condescending..judgemental..stereotypical and hypocritical?...

What parts breh? I personally know examples of every person he was talking about.

Are you judging white people(cops) or do you give them the benefit if the doubt?

What sterotype was he refering to that wasnt being mirrored by the segment of blacks he was targeting?

Do you believe cosby was a bad father? You think he set bad examples for his kids?how so?

He used "we" multiply time in that speech. What paragraph you upset with breh?

 

[William F. Russell]

A lot of people are butt-hurt that Cosby called out the black community for collectively dropping the ball, especially in the time periods since Brown v. board of Education and the Civil Rights Movement. Although systematic racism and discrimination plays a huge role in the black community's current state and dysfunction, Cosby was right for calling us all out and begging us to take personal responsibility for our decisions (by going to school, speaking properly, dressing accordingly, treating ourselves with respect, etc.) instead of begging white society to change or solely relying on God.

Needless to say, this message didn't go over so well with many members of the black community (nor did it go down well with the white liberal media). A major reason why the speech didn't go down so well is because white conservatives have utilized Cosby's speech to slam the condition of the black community. To many people, there was very little difference between Cosby's speech and Bill O'Reilly's rant against minorities.

However, despite the harsh delivery of Cosby's speech, one cannot validly argue that Cosby was lying or that he wanted to attack blacks. There was a great deal of unadulterated truth in his speech and the people who continue to hate on the substance of his speech obviously had their nerves struck (or are even guilty of what Cosby was speaking against).

At the very worst, Cosby's delivery was rude and judgmental. But the most objective person would find that the substance of his speech was nothing but the truth. Some don't like the truth, though.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

A lot of people are butt-hurt that Cosby called out the black community for collectively dropping the ball, especially in the time periods since Brown v. board of Education and the Civil Rights Movement. Although systematic racism and discrimination plays a huge role in the black community's current state and dysfunction, Cosby was right for calling us all out and begging us to take personal responsibility for our decisions (by going to school, speaking properly, dressing accordingly, treating ourselves with respect, etc.) instead of begging white society to change or solely relying on God.

Needless to say, this message didn't go over so well with many members of the black community (nor did it go down well with the white liberal media). A major reason why the speech didn't go down so well is because white conservatives have utilized Cosby's speech to slam the condition of the black community. To many people, there was very little difference between Cosby's speech and Bill O'Reilly's rant against minorities.

However, despite the harsh delivery of Cosby's speech, one cannot validly argue that Cosby was lying or that he wanted to attack blacks. There was a great deal of unadulterated truth in his speech and the people who continue to hate on the substance of his speech obviously had their nerves struck (or are even guilty of what Cosby was speaking against).

At the very worst, Cosby's delivery was rude and judgmental. But the most objective person would find that the substance of his speech was nothing but the truth. Some don't like the truth, though.

Thats what im saying. They cherry pick his words.

Like with the funny names things. Hearing that with out context you may get a crewface. But in actuality he saying don't disrespect a strong name like "Mohamed" by raiseing little Mohamed to be a criminal or deadbeat.

 

[Queen]

The problem is that a lot of people want to tell the "truth" about the black community, while ignoring the truth of how it got to this point. This did not happen by chance.

We jump in at the end of the game and see the results, while ignoring the deliberate sabotage that led to the outcome.

 

[William F. Russell]

The problem is that a lot of people want to tell the "truth" about the black community, while ignoring the truth of how it got to this point. This did not happen by chance.

We jump in at the end of the game and see the results, while ignoring the deliberate sabotage that led to the outcome.

*Joined Thursday*

But, we all know that systematic racism and injustice exists. That is not a secret. There's no mystery to uncover. What we as a community must do is be vigilant of our collective behavior and address our own shortcomings. That's how we effect change.

 

[Elle Driver]

A lot of people are butt-hurt that Cosby called out the black community for collectively dropping the ball, especially in the time periods since Brown v. board of Education and the Civil Rights Movement. Although systematic racism and discrimination plays a huge role in the black community's current state and dysfunction, Cosby was right for calling us all out and begging us to take personal responsibility for our decisions (by going to school, speaking properly, dressing accordingly, treating ourselves with respect, etc.) instead of begging white society to change or solely relying on God.

Needless to say, this message didn't go over so well with many members of the black community (nor did it go down well with the white liberal media). A major reason why the speech didn't go down so well is because white conservatives have utilized Cosby's speech to slam the condition of the black community. To many people, there was very little difference between Cosby's speech and Bill O'Reilly's rant against minorities.

However, despite the harsh delivery of Cosby's speech, one cannot validly argue that Cosby was lying or that he wanted to attack blacks. There was a great deal of unadulterated truth in his speech and the people who continue to hate on the substance of his speech obviously had their nerves struck (or are even guilty of what Cosby was speaking against).

At the very worst, Cosby's delivery was rude and judgmental. But the most objective person would find that the substance of his speech was nothing but the truth. Some don't like the truth, though.

Like @Queen said, how did it get to this point? Let's examine that first. What is speaking properly? Relatively speaking, we've only been able to obtain an education only recently, we weren't allowed to read, write, or learn to speak English the way whites did. It was dangerous to do so. Out of that African American Vernacular English was born. That's the condition of the situation. We need to show both sides when we talk about that. You can't just blame the black community for it's situation without explaining why it is that way it is. Then talk about actual solutions to the problem.

 

[Queen]

*Joined Thursday*

But, we all know that systematic racism and injustice exists. That is not a secret. There's no mystery to uncover. What we as a community must do is be vigilant of our collective behavior and address our own shortcomings. That's how we effect change.

It doesn't matter what you address on your end if you continue to ignore your enemy.

If you fail to realize the tactics and strategies being used against you- you will stay right where your enemy wants you to be.

This is not a game- this is war. We are losing and will continue to lose until we realize that. The problem is that they see you as the enemy but you don’t see them as yours. You want to sit around in this state of delusion while the same things repeat themselves over and over.

How much more evidence do you need to realize that this "system" you speak of is comprised of a group of individual people who have no intention on changing.

If you build and build while ignoring the fact that it will be torn down, disrupted, or sabotaged- then what is the point? Is the point to say you tried, or is the point to be victorious?

Wake up. Or be sitting around 300 years from now still singing the same old “we shall overcome”.

 

[William F. Russell]

Like @Queen said, how did it get to this point? Let's examine that first. What is speaking properly? Relatively speaking, we've only been able to obtain an education only recently, we weren't allowed to read, write, or learn to speak English the way whites did. It was dangerous to do so. Out of that African American Vernacular English was born. That's the condition of the situation. We need to show both sides when we talk about that. You can't just blame the black community for it's situation without explaining why it is that way it is. Then talk about actual solutions to the problem.

But here's what I think is getting lost in what Cosby said. Cosby acknowledged (at least tacitly) the systematic racism that is in effect in today's society. The fact that he was speaking at the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education shows that he knows why we're in the current situation. Cosby's point (or at least what I took from it) was that, despite the undeniable presence and legacy of systematic racism, many in our community haven't been doing enough since the landmark decision to help ourselves. He was basically saying, "yes, we have a bad hand but we're still playing the game badly." When he was referring to the lack of proper English being spoken by our youth, he was calling out the parents of the youth who failed (for whatever reasons) to be active in making sure that the youth take advantage of the opportunities they have (even if they're not as great as those enjoyed by the youth in dominant society). Again, we know that, unfortunately, in African American history, there's a serious disadvantage experienced by black Americans in countless ways. What I took from Cosby was that, despite that sad, unfortunate reality, the black community needs to be more proactive in achieving to succeed and that it needs to be hyper-vigilant of its behavior and mentality individually and collectively. He was imploring us to shed ourselves of the victim mentality and to just bear our cross.

I'm not going to deny that his comments were crude. And I'm not going to deny that his delivery was harsh and even judgmental. But I swear most people are missing the forest for the trees and accusing him of being short-sighted because he's turning the flashlight back at us and calling on us to take the mantle and make milestones and landmark decisions (like Brown v. Board of Education) work for us despite society's injustice. Most black people in America understand how black America got to the condition that is in today. And most black people are aware that society is inherently racist and uneven in terms of opportunities and legacy for blacks. Cosby was trying to tell us that, at the end of the day, we're responsible (collectively and individually) for how we conduct ourselves in our community.

Systematic racism has always existed and will likely always exist. But our community doesn't have to continue accepting depreciated standards of behavior and achievement.

 

[Lil Big Daddy]

A lot of people are butt-hurt that Cosby called out the black community for collectively dropping the ball, especially in the time periods since Brown v. board of Education and the Civil Rights Movement. Although systematic racism and discrimination plays a huge role in the black community's current state and dysfunction, Cosby was right for calling us all out and begging us to take personal responsibility for our decisions (by going to school, speaking properly, dressing accordingly, treating ourselves with respect, etc.) instead of begging white society to change or solely relying on God.

Needless to say, this message didn't go over so well with many members of the black community (nor did it go down well with the white liberal media). A major reason why the speech didn't go down so well is because white conservatives have utilized Cosby's speech to slam the condition of the black community. To many people, there was very little difference between Cosby's speech and Bill O'Reilly's rant against minorities.

However, despite the harsh delivery of Cosby's speech, one cannot validly argue that Cosby was lying or that he wanted to attack blacks. There was a great deal of unadulterated truth in his speech and the people who continue to hate on the substance of his speech obviously had their nerves struck (or are even guilty of what Cosby was speaking against).

At the very worst, Cosby's delivery was rude and judgmental. But the most objective person would find that the substance of his speech was nothing but the truth. Some don't like the truth, though.

The only thing wrong with bruh speech is that it wasn't kept "in-house".
The Black community doesn't need it's biz and dirty laundry aired out in the streets every chance ppl get, especially not from our own people.
But given who he is and being somebody famous etc etc I cant eem really blame him for how much exposure his speech got.

But that'd be my only complaint. Anybody disagreeing with ANYthing he said aint shyt but a gatdamn c00n or an ignant ass nikka.