Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[originalblackmanfromughh]

This post was really the main reason I signed up here. I seriously cant believe the reason some of you fault Cosby is because he brought up these black issues, or to be more concise, poor black people issues in a public forum that was intended to discuss this exact topic.

You want people to act like any aspect of failure is due to oppression or Cac's. And then you put things in the hand of jesus like so many black families do. This is an external locus of control and states "I do not have control over my future due to racial oppression or jesus didnt put it in the cards for me". Never has a bigger cop out been used. Cosby spoke the truth and if your main concern is "shhhhh whitey will hear, we cant criticize US in public" and that secret meeting shyt that happened in the 70s...we got the internet now. Information spreads. You think Bill Cosby said anything white people arent saying?


Nah, Cosby is 100% on point this this shyt. Theres voc schools, jobs that dont require education, EOE's. The world is different. No doubt racism exists still but it is working towards being de-istituiotionalized with laws to prevent discrimination. Many of you have attended college and are gainfully employed. All of a sudden Cosby is considered a sell out because he shared his mind on the lack of desire to attend school and see it through and seek employment and so on. Much of this institutionalized racism comes from yourself as self-stigma. Some of it is simple avoidance. You need to re evaluate your current situations.

Look how happy you are he got accused of rape.

this is a black man who had a major influence on the way white America viewed black men through his show and standup. He connected to all people. He is not regulated by politics like obama. His son was shot. Understand his frustration. Understand free speech. Understand that if someone doesnt provide a message like this, you will not improve your situation because self reflection may hurt and be uncomfortable at times, but that is where growth lives and discontent is what pushes growth on an individual nature. He had an opportunity and of course he knew there would be some backlash but he felt this risk was worth it to get people talking about these real issues. And you people are like, how dare a black man criticism the black community in front of whites without building on the foundation of racism first. Some things do not need to be said and parenting can very well be mutually exclusive from racism. People have to rise above and lead by example. You shouldnt shyt on these people.

 

[William F. Russell]

This post was really the main reason I signed up here. I seriously cant believe the reason some of you fault Cosby is because he brought up these black issues, or to be more concise, poor black people issues in a public forum that was intended to discuss this exact topic.

You want people to act like any aspect of failure is due to oppression or Cac's. And then you put things in the hand of jesus like so many black families do. This is an external locus of control and states "I do not have control over my future due to racial oppression or jesus didnt put it in the cards for me". Never has a bigger cop out been used. Cosby spoke the truth and if your main concern is "shhhhh whitey will hear, we cant criticize US in public" and that secret meeting shyt that happened in the 70s...we got the internet now. Information spreads. You think Bill Cosby said anything white people arent saying?


Nah, Cosby is 100% on point this this shyt. Theres voc schools, jobs that dont require education, EOE's. The world is different. No doubt racism exists still but it is working towards being de-istituiotionalized with laws to prevent discrimination. Many of you have attended college and are gainfully employed. All of a sudden Cosby is considered a sell out because he shared his mind on the lack of desire to attend school and see it through and seek employment and so on. Much of this institutionalized racism comes from yourself as self-stigma. Some of it is simple avoidance. You need to re evaluate your current situations.

Look how happy you are he got accused of rape.

this is a black man who had a major influence on the way white America viewed black men through his show and standup. He connected to all people. He is not regulated by politics like obama. His son was shot. Understand his frustration. Understand free speech. Understand that if someone doesnt provide a message like this, you will not improve your situation because self reflection may hurt and be uncomfortable at times, but that is where growth lives and discontent is what pushes growth on an individual nature. He had an opportunity and of course he knew there would be some backlash but he felt this risk was worth it to get people talking about these real issues. And you people are like, how dare a black man criticism the black community in front of whites without building on the foundation of racism first. Some things do not need to be said and parenting can very well be mutually exclusive from racism. People have to rise above and lead by example. You shouldnt shyt on these people.

Beautiful first post.

 

[William F. Russell]

BTW, @ninties , go f uck yourself.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Meh, I don't look for ways to carry myself from a rapist.

fukk what u tombout...cos dikk mustve been good...slung that pipe in the 70s...44 yrs later...bytch come to the conclusion she was raped since he dont need the monkey nomore..

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

For what its worth i found an Tavis Smiley interview w/ Cosby about aspects of his speech in which he addresses topics Cosby haters use to discredit him as a prominent black voice for the community.

Heres some highlights.

To this(from his speech)-
'These are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake, and then we run out and we are outraged, 'The cops shouldn't have shot him.' What in the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?'

Cosby explained-
No, if you have a son and you get a phone call and your son is shot by the police--and you say, 'Oh,' and then you say, 'Well, what was it?' 'Well, the cop said he stole a--' The first thing that you're gonna say is, 'He didn't do it,' which means you hope that your child didn't do it.

But I'm saying with the parenting, this force of a child continuing to go out and take something and not realize the value of this. The value of a stolen Coca-Cola bottle is a dead human being. That's the value. The value of a child carrying a gun into a school is the value of 2 lives. One--the person that he may kill, and then his life or her life in prison. And I'm saying that there are parents--there are some parents who don't know what subjects their child is supposed to be taking in school. They don't know what grade the child got. And not only that, but they don't even know if the child had an exam.

To this-
So, Mr. C, is it--I'm trying to figure out how to phrase this. Is it your right or your responsibility to check black folk, as it were, when you feel they need to be checked? Have you earned that right, or is it a responsibility that you've inherited?

Cosby explained-
You all are late. I said this at Howard University 6 years ago. I've said it in the company of audiences--African American audiences.
Tavis-So why'd it get picked up now? Was it the event?

Cosby explained-
It was the white man who got the word from somebody who was there, who called the white man, who put it in the white paper, which is called the Washington Post. And from that, they left out Mr. Cosby saying 50%. They left out the part about fathering, and they certainly left out 'We've got to take back the neighborhood and the responsibility--take it back.' Then they added something that I think was incorrect, that the people came out stone-faced, stunned. I don't think they were. And I heard the audience a couple of times saying, 'yes,' people applauding.

Responsibility? No, a pain. I'm really in pain. And I want it stopped. I want people to get together, and I want people to take their neighborhood back. Hey, man, you know, to be--I've traveled around all the different cities, and to turn on the TV or the news at 5:00, and I read that some child, 12-year-old, shot. Whether it's Dayton, Ohio; Wilberforce, Ohio; Pennsylvania, Mississippi. And for me, it's painful. That's a life gone. And then when they catch the person that did it, that's another life gone. Where are we? Who are we? 50% dropout in school. 60 to 70% of our incarcerated are illiterate.

To this-
But there are a lot of folk who say that, because Cosby said it, the right wing is gonna take it and use it as ammunition--

Cosby explained-
I don't give me a blank about those right-wing white people! They can't do any more to us than they've already started with. They can't try to throw us back any farther than they've tried to throw us back. And they're doing a very good job of it.

But by the same token, for God's sake, turn around and let's have some meetings and say, 'Brother, um, let me explain to you. You're the father of so-forth and so-on. Brother, you gotta rein them in, man. You gotta go talk to 'em.' 'Oh, what do I do, man? I got a son, he won't listen to me, but--' 'Well, hey, brother, that's your son.'

http://www.africaresource.com/djelia/oral-history/299-dr-bill-cosby-speaks-with-tavis-smiley