Finland’s two-year basic income trial did not spur the unemployed to work or earn more: government

[Maschine_Man]

Finland’s two-year basic income trial did not spur the unemployed to work or earn more: government

Finland’s government announced on Friday the first findings from a two-year basic income trial that ended a month ago, with researchers saying it failed to spur the unemployed to work more and earn more as was hoped.

During the trial, 2,000 unemployed Finns became the first Europeans to enjoy a guaranteed basic income, a monthly paycheque from the state, regardless of whether they found work or sat at home on the couch.

The trial was Finland’s test of one alternative to renewing its social security model, a vast task expected to be tackled after parliamentary elections in April.




Who would have guessed that just giving free money wouldn’t encourage ppl to want to work more or work harder or even work at all.

 

[InGodWeTrust]

fukk

 

[Dr. Acula]

UBI is being pushed by mostly the technocracy from my understanding because they envision a future where workers are no longer needed. Everything is automated and individuals are just given a set income by the "future elites" in order to placate them.

I'm not a fan of it from that perspective.

 

[the cac mamba]

UBI is being pushed by mostly the technocracy from my understanding because they envision a future where workers are no longer needed. Everything is automated and individuals are just given a set income by the "future elites" in order to placate them.

I'm not a fan of it from that perspective.

yeah, theres not gonna be anything noble about UBI. it will only take place when they actually make more money giving UBI than employing people

 

[storyteller]

Pretty sure I read about the UBI experiment in Kenya being really successful. There a few others too, so probably a good idea to look at how each UBI experiment is modeled and try to pick out what works and doesn't (almost like a systematic review).

 

[Snoopy Loops]

This shyt is counter-intuitive to basic human psychology. This should be the absolute last resort as an economic policy.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Pretty sure I read about the UBI experiment in Kenya being really successful. There a few others too, so probably a good idea to look at how each UBI experiment is modeled and try to pick out what works and doesn't (almost like a systematic review).

The Effects of a Universal Basic Income in Kenya
A village in Kenya is quietly disproving the biggest myth about basic income
Money for nothing: the truth about universal basic income

 

[Shogun]

This shyt is counter-intuitive to basic human psychology. This should be the absolute last resort as an economic policy.

Fair, but modern society as a whole is counter-intuitive to basic human psychology.

 

[Snoopy Loops]

Fair, but modern society as a whole is counter-intuitive to basic human psychology.

Shiddd.........

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

Majority of people follow the path of least resistance.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This shyt is counter-intuitive to basic human psychology. This should be the absolute last resort as an economic policy.

Majority of people follow the path of least resistance.

This is simply not true.

If it were true, people who inherit money wouldn't go to school or get jobs, and all people who did get jobs would only work as much as necessary for the basic necessities. But that's not what happens in real life, is it?

 

[storyteller]

The Effects of a Universal Basic Income in Kenya
A village in Kenya is quietly disproving the biggest myth about basic income
Money for nothing: the truth about universal basic income

can't rep you, but dap and co-sign, this is what I was talkin' about.

 

[DEAD7]

 

[H.J.Duck]

Finland basic income 'did not help jobless'

Mr Simanainen says that while some individuals found work, they were no more likely to do so than a control group of people who weren't given the money.

So the difference is that people were happier and found work just as much as the focus group which didn't recieve basic income.

So the only difference is that people are happier and less stressed with basic income...

What a surprise that the right-centre government is trying to spin it to be an unsuccesful experiment. It made poor/less fortunate people happier, can't have that happening.

 

[Snoopy Loops]

The Effects of a Universal Basic Income in Kenya
A village in Kenya is quietly disproving the biggest myth about basic income
Money for nothing: the truth about universal basic income

Results are still forthcoming for the study,so we will see. I dont mind being proven wrong. That being said, an analysis of personality profile and present conditions of the population would have a significant effect on the outcome. You have to look at the mindset of the population at hand, as someone who's lived in a 3rd world country, I can see how UBI will be helpful, as some form of welfare is sorely needed.

This is simply not true.

If it were true, people who inherit money wouldn't go to school or get jobs, and all people who did get jobs would only work as much as necessary for the basic necessities. But that's not what happens in real life, is it?

Lol, come on man, you know its not that simple. Prior to inheriting wealth, people are pushed by parents to be productive, with their parents grooming them to take over family businesses or enter the same lucrative profession.

Check this post, lets not act like alot of people dont claim to work hard so their children can have what they never and not have to struggle like they did. How many parents really raising their children to know the value of money or simulate their own upbringing to trigger that ambition in their children. I will contend that its in the minority.

We're talking about third world peoples with virtually no opportunity compared with their counterparts in 1st world countries.

This might be unpopular, but i just think people in 1st world countries are kinda spoilt in comparison to people 3rd world countries. First world countries have so many state provided amenities and infrastructure that are taken for granted.

Also the work culture in the US is vicious, I can see how that can contribute to people opting out meaningful pursuits in favor frivolous shyt like being youtube casters, "artists" because they are getting UBI