Florida Bill May Allow Adoption Agencies To Practice Discrimination (Bill Not Voted Yet)

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BY ZACK FORD POSTED ON APRIL 9, 2015 AT 5:10 PM UPDATED: APRIL 9, 2015 AT 9:24 PM

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Florida State Rep. Jason Brodeur (R)

CREDIT: AP PHOTO/PHIL SEARS

On Thursday afternoon, the Florida House of Representatives voted 75-38 to pass a bill (HB 7111) that would allow the state’s adoption agencies to engage in any kind of discrimination if serving a particular family violates its “religious or moral convictions or policies.” The state contracts with several private agencies to manage its child-placement services, some of which are religiously affiliated. Under the bill, the state could not revoke a license nor refuse any funding to these agencies based on their decision not to place children with certain families.

Unlike how the “religious freedom” bills played out in Arkansas and Indiana, proponents of Florida’s legislation were quite open during this week’s debates about the bill’s discriminatory intentions. On Wednesday, Rep. David Richardson (D) spearheaded efforts to undermine the bill with various amendments that would have carved out nondiscrimination exemptions. His first amendment would have prevented the state from funding organizations that discriminate; the bill’s sponsor, Rep. Jason Brodeur (R) responded, “This amendment does the exact opposite of the entire bill. I was ask that you vote it down.” It was, in fact, voted down 38-78.

From there, other members introduced separate amendments carving out discrimination exemptions for specific classes: one for race, one for marital status, one for sexual orientation, one for gender, etc. Among the amendment sponsors was Rep. Janet Cruz (D), who explained, “I have a daughter who’s gay and I want to make sure she’s never discriminated against if she decides to adopt a child.” In each case, Brodeur offered a substitute amendment — each of which was identical — adding instead only the words, “An act by a private child-placing agency under this subsection does not constitute discrimination.” The substitute amendments passed every time as the House essentially voted in favor of discrimination based on all of those classes.

When Brodeur was repeatedly asked to confirm that his bill would allow the various types of discrimination addressed by the proposed amendments, he usually demurred. Most times, he rejected the premise of the questions, insisting that he was simply protecting “religious freedom.” On at least one occasion, Brodeur did, however, admit the discriminatory intentions of his legislation. Richardson asked him, “If a child-placing agency decided that they had a moral objection to having single moms adopt, would they be permitted under your bill to have that policy and then reject all single mothers from adopting in the state of Florida?” Brodeur responded with a simple, “Yes.” Watch it:


Despite the bill’s passage in the House, advocates are hopeful that it won’t pass the Senate. Rather than existing as a separate bill, the pro-discriminatory measure was considered in the Senate as an amendment to the bill that is actually repealing an unconstitutional statute banning same-sex couples from adopting. The Senate blocked it Wednesday, and there is currently no other Senate bill to serve as a companion to HB 7111, making it unlikely — but not impossible — that the pro-discrimination bill becomes law before the session is over.

Equality Florida chief executive Nadine Smith responded to the House vote in a press release, saying, “Thursday’s House vote sends an ugly message about Florida, whether it becomes law or not. As other states such as Indiana have learned, discriminatory laws under the false guise of religious freedom are widely criticized. They are unfair and unjust, and they also hurt a state’s economy.” She also pointed out that Florida still has no statewide law protecting LGBT people from discrimination in employment, housing, or public accommodations.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/04/09/3645307/florida-house-adoption-discrimination-vote/
 

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BY ZACK FORD POSTED ON APRIL 9, 2015 AT 5:10 PM UPDATED: APRIL 9, 2015 AT 9:24 PM

Florida-Rep.-Jason-Brodeur-638x425.jpg

Florida State Rep. Jason Brodeur (R)

CREDIT: AP PHOTO/PHIL SEARS

On Thursday afternoon, the Florida House of Representatives voted 75-38 to pass a bill (HB 7111) that would allow the state’s adoption agencies to engage in any kind of discrimination if serving a particular family violates its “religious or moral convictions or policies.” The state contracts with several private agencies to manage its child-placement services, some of which are religiously affiliated. Under the bill, the state could not revoke a license nor refuse any funding to these agencies based on their decision not to place children with certain families.

Unlike how the “religious freedom” bills played out in Arkansas and Indiana, proponents of Florida’s legislation were quite open during this week’s debates about the bill’s discriminatory intentions. On Wednesday, Rep. David Richardson (D) spearheaded efforts to undermine the bill with various amendments that would have carved out nondiscrimination exemptions. His first amendment would have prevented the state from funding organizations that discriminate; the bill’s sponsor, Rep. Jason Brodeur (R) responded, “This amendment does the exact opposite of the entire bill. I was ask that you vote it down.” It was, in fact, voted down 38-78.

From there, other members introduced separate amendments carving out discrimination exemptions for specific classes: one for race, one for marital status, one for sexual orientation, one for gender, etc. Among the amendment sponsors was Rep. Janet Cruz (D), who explained, “I have a daughter who’s gay and I want to make sure she’s never discriminated against if she decides to adopt a child.” In each case, Brodeur offered a substitute amendment — each of which was identical — adding instead only the words, “An act by a private child-placing agency under this subsection does not constitute discrimination.” The substitute amendments passed every time as the House essentially voted in favor of discrimination based on all of those classes.

When Brodeur was repeatedly asked to confirm that his bill would allow the various types of discrimination addressed by the proposed amendments, he usually demurred. Most times, he rejected the premise of the questions, insisting that he was simply protecting “religious freedom.” On at least one occasion, Brodeur did, however, admit the discriminatory intentions of his legislation. Richardson asked him, “If a child-placing agency decided that they had a moral objection to having single moms adopt, would they be permitted under your bill to have that policy and then reject all single mothers from adopting in the state of Florida?” Brodeur responded with a simple, “Yes.” Watch it:


Despite the bill’s passage in the House, advocates are hopeful that it won’t pass the Senate. Rather than existing as a separate bill, the pro-discriminatory measure was considered in the Senate as an amendment to the bill that is actually repealing an unconstitutional statute banning same-sex couples from adopting. The Senate blocked it Wednesday, and there is currently no other Senate bill to serve as a companion to HB 7111, making it unlikely — but not impossible — that the pro-discrimination bill becomes law before the session is over.

Equality Florida chief executive Nadine Smith responded to the House vote in a press release, saying, “Thursday’s House vote sends an ugly message about Florida, whether it becomes law or not. As other states such as Indiana have learned, discriminatory laws under the false guise of religious freedom are widely criticized. They are unfair and unjust, and they also hurt a state’s economy.” She also pointed out that Florida still has no statewide law protecting LGBT people from discrimination in employment, housing, or public accommodations.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/04/09/3645307/florida-house-adoption-discrimination-vote/

Those "limited government" republicans back at it again.:heh:
 

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*Thread title modified for obvious reasons* :mjpls:
 

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with so many kids needing a home, especially black ones, they are trying to make it harder for kids to get adopted. you can't be so hateful towards gays (and this isn't just white people either) that you would rather a kid stay in foster care than end up with a gay couple. a lot of them are DINKs too (double income no kids). some of these kids are missing out on a pretty good life.
 

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That was the title of the article on Facebook and if it's not pointed out to people I feel like it can go right over their heads.
Are you working for The Sun IRL somehow ? :lolbron:

Jk but I edited because you could have avoided stating it was about adopting black children while the whole tone of the article was about religious/LGBT people. "Allowing discrimination" would have sufficed honestly. :mjpls:
 

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Are you working for The Sun IRL somehow ? :lolbron:

Jk but I edited because you could have avoided stating it was about adopting black children while the whole tone of the article was about religious/LGBT people. "Allowing discrimination" would have sufficed honestly. :mjpls:

Oh, no.

I guess it depends if you feel that companies or individuals could see Blacks as against their “religious, moral convictions or policies".

What do you think? Think that could happen in these United States? :mjpls:


It's very easy to simply say oh this an LGBT issue and simply brush it aside. The reality is it could have much broader implications not only for the Black community whether adults looking to adopt or children that could be adopted but a number of minorities.
 

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Oh, no.

I guess it depends if you feel that companies or individuals could see Blacks as against their “religious, moral convictions or policies".

What do you think? Think that could happen in these United States? :mjpls:


It's very easy to simply say oh this an LGBT issue and simply brush it aside. The reality is it could have much broader implications not only for the Black community whether adults looking to adopt or children that could be adopted but a number of minorities.
I was not saying that it wouldn't allow discrimination towards minorities and I do agree that it would. I simply stated that the article was focusing on religion/LGBT and with the title you put, it was kinda misleading (regarding the article obviously) and that's why I put a broader term than simply focusing about Black children who were not mentioned once in the article.

Above all with the previous scandal that happened a week ago with the pizzeria refusing to serve Gays. I think, the core of this is mostly about religious people being allowed to refuse service to Gay people (because homosexuality is against their beliefs) though it is also obvious that it could be used to refuse it to minorities
 

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I was not saying that it wouldn't allow discrimination towards minorities and I do agree that it would. I simply stated that the article was focusing on religion/LGBT and with the title you put, it was kinda misleading (regarding the article obviously) and that's why I put a broader term than simply focusing about Black children who were not mentioned once in the article.

Above all with the previous scandal that happened a week ago with the pizzeria refusing to serve Gays. I think, the core of this is mostly about religious people being allowed to refuse service to Gay people (because homosexuality is against their beliefs) though it is also obvious that it could be used to refuse it to minorities

Were you aware Jim Crow laws and other Southern Racial policies were used against Hispanic Americans?
 
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