Former NFL player, Ben Watson on Roe versus Wade

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:mjlol:So abortion was blocking all of those meaningful things from taking place? Weren't maternal healthcare and paid leave and earned income provisions in earlier versions of Build Back Better? Oh snap, housing assistance too? Wow, Job training as well! Well gosh did that pass?:beli:

His cowardly ass can't admit that there would be less abortions if there was more support like...other first-world nations provide to their people.

Just say you are down with anti-abortion folk and accept the consequences if there are any. Also, support Build Back Better.
 

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But if he votes for the people stopping it then what is he actually thinking about?
Nothing. He is naive and clearly not familiar with the history of the American right wing or how other countries do things. This is part of what makes fame, money, and idiocy a toxic combination.

In the countries where child care, sex education and contraceptives are readily available and affordable, abortion is legal and not used that often. Their rates of unplanned pregnancy are lower because not only do you have measures in place to prevent people who aren't ready for children from having them, there are measures in place to set the child up for the best chance of success for when that does happen. The states passing their abortion bills aren't doing so with subsidized care and these benefits packed in because It's not about kids. It's not about family. It's about making sure there is a consistent stream of desperate people.

Desperate people they can recruit into the military to take resources from a weaker nation.
Desperate people who won't have time to get educated and upgrade in their careers because they need to use what little energy they have left on their child when they're off from work.
Desperate people who will accept lower pay than what they are worth so bosses can continue stealing their wages in peace.
Desperate people who will get involved in crime to make money and then get killed or arrested thus justifying bloated police budgets and for-profit prisons.
 

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How do not see how that makes zero sense.

Fiscal Republicans oppose federal leave on monetary reasons. Having more kids out there makes it more expensive. You aren’t getting their votes.

Religious Republicans aren’t making this argument on the ease of maternity. The kids being born already need to be taken care of… so why would a few extra babies suddenly change their minds?
The argument is to seem Christian and compassionate while advocating the state not look after it's people. He might argue that its a private industry thing.

Depending on the type you run into, many people conflate good Christianity with compassionate capitalism while demonizing government. This is how they get giddy at billionaires but blame inflation on the small stimulus people got vs the truckloads the 1% got in the same period.
 

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Nothing. He is naive and clearly not familiar with the history of the American right wing or how other countries do things. This is part of what makes fame, money, and idiocy a toxic combination.

In the countries where child care, sex education and contraceptives are readily available and affordable, abortion is legal and not used that often. Their rates of unplanned pregnancy are lower because not only do you have measures in place to prevent people who aren't ready for children from having them, there are measures in place to set the child up for the best chance of success for when that does happen. The states passing their abortion bills aren't doing so with subsidized care and these benefits packed in because It's not about kids. It's not about family. It's about making sure there is a consistent stream of desperate people.

Desperate people they can recruit into the military to take resources from a weaker nation.
Desperate people who won't have time to get educated and upgrade in their careers because they need to use what little energy they have left on their child when they're off from work.
Desperate people who will accept lower pay than what they are worth so bosses can continue stealing their wages in peace.
Desperate people who will get involved in crime to make money and then get killed or arrested thus justifying bloated police budgets and for-profit prisons.
110% true

But even closer we all know the war on drugs failed. Using punishment instead of educating and funding safe options to get clean only leads to more expensive clean up and more regulations.
 

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Abortion is merely a tool for some to feel morally superior. For what can be more of virtue than protecting the life of a "child"? However, when you ask most "pro-life" people about the other things associated with the protection of children such as:

A. The high infant mortality rate of black women - shrug don't care
B. The amount of children in this country that have food insecurity (with soon to be many man more after this decision) - shrug don't care
C. Forcing a 12 year old, who is also a child, to deal with the trauma of carrying a rapist's (sometimes even a family member who did it) and having to raise it - shrug don't care
D. The fact that forcing thousands of women who don't want to have children to bear them will result in increased levels of child abuse, child murder and other harms to children - shrug don't care
E. The back alley abortions that will happen endangering the lives of child and mother - shrug don't care
F. The FACT that the hypocrite elite who support this will just have their children mistresses, spouses etc.'s abortions in countries that allow this, as it's always been, - shrug don't care. If they did they would support a law to force every woman or child of child bearing age to undergo pregnancy tests every few months, no exceptions for the wealthy and if they're found to be pregnant forced to stay in the US until the child is born. Think the wealthy would EVER go for that (even though they allegedly are anti-abortion)? Of course not.

etc.

No anti-abortionists are not "pro-life". They are pro controlling women under the veil of false virtue.
 

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110% true

But even closer we all know the war on drugs failed. Using punishment instead of educating and funding safe options to get clean only leads to more expensive clean up and more regulations.
Exactly. The war on drugs wasn't about health. It was about punishing black men who could use drugs to make a profit. If they actually gave a shyt about health, as you said they'd have been pouring billions into rehab services and research into what makes people get addicted in the first place and how to prevent it.

It was about giving more money to police departments, and beefing up the prison industrial complex whilst continuing to deny black men economic opportunities. You fukked up your back at work? well pay for the meds yourself. Can't afford it? well get a second job some how. That person then hears someone say 'hey I can give you some weed or pills' and then when he's caught with that, he's in prison. Now he's got a criminal record and its even harder to get a good paying job.

At every turn the right in this country has shown that it doesn't care about black people. It doesn't care about families. It doesn't care about doing what needs to be done for the sake of preserving human life and wellbeing. If you look at their history it's blatantly obvious that they have never cared about anything other than making white 'Christians' as rich as humanly possible regardless of the societal cost.
 

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Exactly. The war on drugs wasn't about health. It was about punishing black men who could use drugs to make a profit. If they actually gave a shyt about health, as you said they'd have been pouring billions into rehab services and research into what makes people get addicted in the first place and how to prevent it.

It was about giving more money to police departments, and beefing up the prison industrial complex whilst continuing to deny black men economic opportunities. You fukked up your back at work? well pay for the meds yourself. Can't afford it? well get a second job some how. That person then hears someone say 'hey I can give you some weed or pills' and then when he's caught with that, he's in prison. Now he's got a criminal record and its even harder to get a good paying job.

At every turn the right in this country has shown that it doesn't care about black people. It doesn't care about families. It doesn't care about doing what needs to be done for the sake of preserving human life and wellbeing. If you look at their history it's blatantly obvious that they have never cared about anything other than making white 'Christians' as rich as humanly possible regardless of the societal cost.
Even worse when they are so bold they aren’t even hiding their motives and got Colibrehs falling for it.

That ACB judge straight said we need a larger supply of domestic infants like children are cattle to the slaughter house
 

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Is this dude trolling or something? How could you possibly think that the same people who made the Roe overturn possible also want to ensure things like affordable housing and maternal leave? They very explicitly hate that shyt!. Why would the people who hate social services want to do anything like that? Either this guy is braindead or he's been living on fukkin Pluto for the last 20 years.
 
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