Free heroin, cocaine and meth will be handed out in Vancouver (VIDEO)

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its one thing to help single parents or the disabled but....have a legitimate job and pay taxes to "help" junkies.

it's to help you!

remove the incentive for addicts to commit crimes and you'd worry less about being assaulted while mugged, worry less about your car or home getting broken into etc. how many gang turf wars would you have to worry about if they had no customers to sell drugs to?

you're already paying taxes to "help" junkies. how much of your taxes go to housing them in prison?

i don't know how much drugs cost but i'm sure it can't cost more than replacing a broken car/house window or more to replace broken door lock.
 
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it's to help you!

remove the incentive for addicts to commit crimes and you'd worry less about being assaulted while mugged, worry less about your car or home getting broken into etc. how many gang turf wars would you have to worry about if they had no customers to sell drugs to?
People (especially Americans) routinely struggle to understand how the puzzle all goes together and how everything is connected.
 

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I support decriminalisation and even legalisation. But I have to draw the line at government subsidised hand outs of toxic and poisonous substances like tobacco, alcohol, and heroin, amongst others. If people want that shyt they should have to pay through the nose for it. And they will receive a regulated, quality product for their money.

You go to a tobacconist or a bottle shop and you can pick up a fine cigar or a fine bottle of wine, but it'll cost you. The government is not out here giving out Monte Cristos or Château Lafite-Rothschild 1949 to anyone who asks for it.

Heroin should be the same. It should be manufactured by companies who, if they cut it with rat poison or whatever other deadly substance, will get sued to oblivion. Just like alcohol and tobacco companies are obliged to put out a product that won't instantly kill a user. And the product should be sold at premium prices in licenced shops. The premium should come from a government tax levied on the sale of heroin, and not from company profiteering. And such tax revenue as is raised from sales should be channelled into treatment and diversion programmes for addicts.

I can get behind that kind of legalisation. If you take the criminal element out of the drugs trade you take out a lot of the harm caused by it. When it's street legal then the only concern is with public health and not with crime and public safety.

But Vancouver is going way past that and I can't agree with it at all.
I agree with you except this isn't the government. says there are multiple organizations behind it and they are doing it in protest of the government's response and handling of drug situation.
 

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why are you so convinced that providing addicts with 'free' drugs is more costly than the war on drugs?

militarizing the police is expensive, raids are expensive, surveillance operations are expensive.

all costly the resources needed to respond to drug-related crimes are expensive.

the property damage, the stolen goods, etc.

imprisoning people for drug-related crimes is expensive.

thats the price of having a functional society or would your rather have have of the population on fenin for drugs stealing a living in the streets?

Imagine you have a son who turns 18 and the first things he wants to do is go to the gas station and smoke some meth, cause he is finally legal?

people say, "oh yeah drugs should be illegal" cause its edgy and cool and depicts that your a free spirit, this notion started in the 2000s but go back ten years in the 90s no onw was saying that.
 

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I support decriminalisation and even legalisation. But I have to draw the line at government subsidised hand outs of toxic and poisonous substances like tobacco, alcohol, and heroin, amongst others. If people want that shyt they should have to pay through the nose for it. And they will receive a regulated, quality product for their money.

You go to a tobacconist or a bottle shop and you can pick up a fine cigar or a fine bottle of wine, but it'll cost you. The government is not out here giving out Monte Cristos or Château Lafite-Rothschild 1949 to anyone who asks for it.

Heroin should be the same. It should be manufactured by companies who, if they cut it with rat poison or whatever other deadly substance, will get sued to oblivion. Just like alcohol and tobacco companies are obliged to put out a product that won't instantly kill a user. And the product should be sold at premium prices in licenced shops. The premium should come from a government tax levied on the sale of heroin, and not from company profiteering. And such tax revenue as is raised from sales should be channelled into treatment and diversion programmes for addicts.

I can get behind that kind of legalisation. If you take the criminal element out of the drugs trade you take out a lot of the harm caused by it. When it's street legal then the only concern is with public health and not with crime and public safety.

But Vancouver is going way past that and I can't agree with it at all.

they already pay for it and they're often funding their habit by committing crimes.
 

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Nah let's just keep doing the war on drugs. I like super militarized police, billions in guaranteed income to criminal organizations, folks out on the street like walking dead, and people losing their loved ones to overdoses :ohlawd:
 

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Vancouver is a whole different vibe culturally. Beautiful weather and city, but shyt like this (and the insanity of their real estate market) is why I'll never settle down there
 
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people say, "oh yeah drugs should be illegal" cause its edgy and cool and depicts that your a free spirit, this notion started in the 2000s but go back ten years in the 90s no onw was saying that.
That’s literally not why people say this. The information is out there that shows this the best path forward for everyone, it’s also the least expensive and actually most beneficial towards society.

Some of y’all really gotta figure out a way to break Americas shytty propaganda programming we all got fed as kids.
 

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Nah let's just keep doing the war on drugs. I like super militarized police, billions in guaranteed income to criminal organizations, folks out on the street like walking dead, and people losing their loved ones to overdoses :ohlawd:

yeah cause the opposite of that worked so well for San Francisco :ohlawd:

Lets just pay $4500 a month for a high rise apartment to walk down stairs to get groceries stepping over dead like bodies, actual human shyt and piss, and the not so rare but very common junkie shooting up crack or heroin blatantly infront of you :ohlawd:

while the police have been instructed to do nothing about it :ohlawd:

it worked out so well :ohlawd:

but hey, we got some positive billboards out of it :ohlawd: "dont overdose alone, overdose with friends" :ohlawd:

thats a win right :ohlawd:
 

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Theres nothing that supports that theory. I and many other people could get heroin tomorrow with relative ease. I have zero desire to ever do that tho. Read this when you get a chance they talk about ultimately full legalization will still be better than decriminalization

Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?


I'm all for decriminalization easing into full legalization but it would probably run into the same issues adult use marijuana has, especially in states where the regulatory overhead and taxes make the black market more lucrative. Imagine how easy it would be for addicts to access as well as people to manufacture and move. There would be blowback we didn't anticipate. American dog eat dog commodity centric greedy culture couldn't handle it tactfully IMO.
 

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It’s Vancouver go to east Hastings it’s like the walking dead :heh:

It's a wild place. Still can't believe they have it downtown 2 mins walk from multi million dollar houses and apartments.

I've become used to walking through it now but any newcomers here are straight up shocked.

You see people stood bent over in the street obviously out of their brain on shyt. Non fent tainted stuff or not.

The issue is they have all these needle centers but no proviso to actually get these people off that shyt.

The saddest part a lot of African immigrants(all
male) got here 2 years ago. I now see a ton of those guys addicted to that shyt. Sleeping rough, just looking fukked up.
 

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what evidence do you have that it will create more addicts?

a governments job is to enforce laws and ensure the well-being of it's citizens. the war on drugs is terrible policy thats harmed way more people than actual drug-addicts. tens of thousands of people are victimized by drug-addicts in one way or another everyday. costing people time, money and their mental health dealing with crimes committed by drug-addicts. we have the data going back decades that a lot of addicts become criminals to feed their addiction. the government can stop that by providing the drugs for free and providing services to help them quit using drugs as well.

I don't work in this field so I don't have any proof. I'm no expert on addiction.

But I am a voter. And as a voter there are many issues of government and policy which I don't have the expertise to understand. So what do I do? I form an opinion as best I can based on common sense. It might not be backed by research and weight of evidence. But for a voter in an election, that will do. It's good enough.

Let me tell you where my common sense judgement comes from, it's from knowing a little bit about the recent history of tobacco and alcohol regulation. In most countries it's now illegal to advertise tobacco products in any way shape or form. Alcohol advertising is also severely limited in most countries.

Nicotine is an addictive substance. The research shows, I believe, that it is up there alongside heroin for how easy it is for a user to get hooked on it. It is a fair product to compare with heroin.

Now in the past tobacco companies used to advertise heavily, even having campaigns directed at children. Some of the older Coli posters have written about it. They have written on this forum about how menthol cigarette brands used to drive around African-American neighbourhoods handing out their cigarettes for free, so as to expand their customer base. Older Coli posters have also written that cigarettes were given out on a promotional basis in the US Army, again with the purpose of creating a new customer base. Product giveaways of tobacco had just one purpose, to increase the sales of cigarettes and increase the profits of tobacco companies.

In more recent years that has all been made illegal and tobacco companies can no longer do product giveaways or even advertise in any media form. Together with aggressive public health anti-smoking campaigns, and sustained tax hikes on cigarette sales jacking up the price, smokers have been incentivised to quit and younger people are taking up cigarettes at historically low rates.

So my common sense tells me that legalising a product takes the criminal element out of it, which is fantastic, that's ideal. But at the same time, hiding it and making it hard to access and impossible to see advertising for is what solves the public health aspect of the problem. So, I want heroin to be sold in stores only, at nosebleeding prices. The cost of it will incentivise people who have never tried it before to not buy it. The absence of free giveaways and absence of all marketing and advertising will make it impossible for heroin companies to create a new generation of customers.

My common sense as a voter tells me to back a plan where drugs will be legalised but regulated just as tightly if not more tightly than tobacco and alcohol are. That means under no circumstances are there to be any product giveaways.
 
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I'm all for decriminalization easing into full legalization but it would probably run into the same issues adult use marijuana has, especially in states where the regulatory overhead and taxes make the black market more lucrative. American dog eat dog commodity centric society couldn't handle it tactfully IMO.
We could solve that by nationalizing and not allowing the industry to be privatized. I addressed that directly in a post above about my issues with essentially awarding big pharma with a new more lucrative industry
 
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