Came off the buss with billions, now we back in the building: Your GOAT franchise Boss Angeles Lakers 2025 offseason Thread

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threattonature said:
To me the whole point of having three players like Lebron, Reaves, and Luka is that you can afford to sit one and turn the offense over to the other two. Especially considering Lebron's age and that Luka can wear down. The coach has to try and buy a few minutes of rest for all of them. I get JJ's thinking that with the next game not until Wednesday he could ride them a little harder, I just think it was a mistake.
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There's two parts to the problem with this -

In those few minutes that the Lakers opt to rest them, Minny could easily erase the deficit and then JJ would be blamed for running that lineup. Especially since role players are less reliable on the road, which we saw with Gabe and Vando both being scoreless. The other part to this is, Bron and Luka both played 46 minutes, respectively, so if your argument is that both of them should be playing 43-44 minutes instead, then that's a problem, in itself.

Neither of them should be playing those minutes to begin with.

By the time you're hitting 40+ minutes (especially in a playoff environment), you're running on fumes, so the argument about how they should be playing 43-44 minutes instead is rather inconsequential. The rest they need to replenish their tanks can't be had with a 2-3 minute period. They've run out of gas in every 4th quarter of this series, no matter how many minutes they've played. If the Lakers are relying on both of them to play 40+ minutes every game just to have a chance at winning, then that is the issue right here. Not splitting hairs about how 46 minutes is too many, but 44 minutes isn't as if that would make a difference.

A 40-year-old Bron should not be playing 40+ minutes, regardless.

If he is, then there's a problem with the roster, which we obviously know there to be.

If the Lakers are in a position where they've got guys playing these sorts of minutes just to have a chance, then they've lost before they've even begun.
 
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Gil Scott-Heroin said:
There's two parts to the problem with this -

In those few minutes that the Lakers opt to rest them, Minny could easily erase the deficit and then JJ would be blamed for running that lineup. Especially since role players are less reliable on the road, which we saw with Gabe and Vando both being scoreless. The other part to this is, Bron and Luka both played 46 minutes, respectively, so if your argument is that both of them should be playing 43-44 minutes instead, then that's a problem, in itself.

Neither of them should be playing those minutes to begin with.

By the time you're hitting 40+ minutes (especially in a playoff environment), you're running on fumes, so the argument about how they should be playing 43-44 minutes instead is rather inconsequential. The rest they need to replenish their tanks can't be had with a 2-3 minute period. They've run out of gas in every 4th quarter of this series, no matter how many minutes they've played. If the Lakers are relying on both of them to play 40+ minutes every game just to have a chance at winning, then that is the issue right here. Not splitting hairs about how 46 minutes is too many, but 44 minutes isn't as if that would make a difference.

A 40-year-old Bron should not be playing 40+ minutes, regardless.

If he is, then there's a problem with the roster, which we obviously know there to be.

If the Lakers are in a position where they've got guys playing these sorts of minutes just to have a chance, then they've lost before they've even begun.
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I mean we're mostly agreeing. I'm with you on neither Bron nor Luka playing a full 40. We've seen both of them carry full teams for seasons at a time. They should be able to handle a five minute stretch without the other on the floor. The supporting cast around them aren't the best but they aren't that bad to where you can't see both of them for 10 minutes a game. shyt surround Luka or Bron with a more defensive oriented lineup and up the defensive pressure if you have to and focus more on pushing the tempo.

I personally wouldn't bytch if the Twolves went on a run with one of those two sitting. We know for sure they don't have the tanks to play 40+ minutes. As a coach JJ has to find ways to buy minutes for his stars. Especially when you have three guys capable of running the offense. Just keep 2 of the 3 on the floor at all times and find ways to rotate around that. Lakers won just fine in the regular season without playing those guys crazy minutes so why change up so drastically in the playoffs.

This ain't playing the results either. I was telling my friends that JJ was fukking up come end of the third when he still hadn't sat them.
 
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threattonature said:
I mean we're mostly agreeing. I'm with you on neither Bron nor Luka playing a full 40. We've seen both of them carry full teams for seasons at a time. They should be able to handle a five minute stretch without the other on the floor. The supporting cast around them aren't the best but they aren't that bad to where you can't see both of them for 10 minutes a game. shyt surround Luka or Bron with a more defensive oriented lineup and up the defensive pressure if you have to and focus more on pushing the tempo.

I personally wouldn't bytch if the Twolves went on a run with one of those two sitting. We know for sure they don't have the tanks to play 40+ minutes. As a coach JJ has to find ways to buy minutes for his stars. Especially when you have three guys capable of running the offense. Just keep 2 of the 3 on the floor at all times and find ways to rotate around that.

Lakers won just fine in the regular season without playing those guys crazy minutes so why change up so drastically in the playoffs.
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Because there's a difference between the regular season and playoffs.

Look no further than Jaxson Hayes.

He's gone from averaging 20 minutes in the regular season to now where he's unplayable. Those minutes need to be replaced, and because marginal NBA players' effectiveness dip from the regular season to the playoffs, you can't just replace his minutes with the next guy off the bench. Those minutes have to be allocated to the main rotation.

They've needed to change the minutes because bums like Hayes can't do shyt in a playoff environment.

You'll get no argument from me that JJ has to find a way to steal minutes to rest his stars, but the margin for error in finding those minutes are razor thin that it becomes less about it being the best strategy and more about picking your poison. He's damned if he gives bench players more minutes, and he's damned if he doesn't. If the strategy results in a loss, then it'll be blamed for why they lost, when the alternative could just have easily resulted in a loss too.

If the Lakers had a Naz and Donte coming off the bench, this wouldn't even be a discussion. But instead they've got Vando and Gabe.
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This ain't playing the results either. I was telling my friends that JJ was fukking up come end of the third when he still hadn't sat them.
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You thought they should've rested during the 3rd?

We'll have to agree to disagree there because that was their best offensive quarter of the series and they had no choice but to maximize their runs during it, with the lineup that was having success. He was merely riding the hot hand, which was paramount given they've struggled to be consistent on offense in the series up to this point. If you abandon that lineup too soon, then you run the risk of not being able to generate runs for the rest of the game.

We've seen that very thing happen in every 4th quarter of this series, no matter who gets rest and no matter what the lineup is.
 
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NGL if DFS just made a couple of more shots and Reaves doesn't have the worst 1st half of his career..the game is probably put away. That will probably happen on Wednesday but remains to be seen on if they can do it away to the Timberwolves. It sucks because even after coming off 7 games Houston and GSW are much more favorable matchups for the Lakers.
 
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Sccit said:
YALL MISS AD NOW

BUT THE WHOLE TIME HE WAS PLAYIN UNDER BRON HE WAS SCAPEGOATED AS SOME SCRUB

WHEN YALL GONE LEARN TO LISTEN TO ME?

LUKA NEXT
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No he wasn't. He kept getting hurt and he was playing inconsistently for stretches. AD is an mvp caliber player when healthy and playing aggressively.
Of course now that he's gone and we went from some of the best rim protection in the league with him on the floor to the worst of course we're definitely gonna feel it. The front office was already aware of that hence the Mark Williams trade that fell through. Idk why yall get so upset at LeBron like he doesnt get criticized when he's the most criticized player in the league.
 
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