Roland Coltrane
Superstar
they sold the people for goods and weapons
From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"
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Any literature on when the slaves started adopting English language? We never think about the slaves speaking their native languages.
And how did the slave masters communicate to them what work needed to be done?
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
Question for you breh. You are in the UK, right?
Is there any beef between black Brits and Nigerians? I would assume a large amount of y'all are Caribbean, so is there any attitude you get from some west Africans in England? Presumably, they exist in tandem with you in that society .
This is a crazy question. Black British means being black & British = any Caribbean/African person born & raised in the UK.Nigerians (born & raised in the UK) are an integral part & one of the most important subgroups/pillars of black British population. And when it comes being black British - the 3 most important/influential groups are Caribbeans, Nigerians & Ghanaians.
So, there’s no beef. Yes, in the past, there was a bit of friction between Caribbeans & Africans. But people are more integrated now. I’d say, it’s always been integrated to an extent albeit there was a clear Caribbean culture dominance. However, Caribbean culture isn’t as dominant as it once was & Nigerian culture is just as dominant now.
The next phase of black British culture is a fusion of Caribbean & African culture. And it’s already happening now with a lot of Nigerian words/slangs being an integral part of black British slangs & a lot of people trying to learn Yoruba. Growing up, even the music, was heavily influenced by Caribbean music but Afrobeats has supplanted that now. So, that as well, is symbiotically creating a new type of sound.
All in all, there’s no beef (at least in London) but sometimes you might see a bit of a tiff on social media with some people riding for their heritage, but that’s where it ends. Even with the ongoing World Cup - everyone (Caribbeans & Africans) is supporting African teams, apart from England. Jollof rice is just as popular with everyone as rice & peas is now. Some Caribbeans even eat proper Nigerian foods. Clubs play Afrobeats, ragga (dancehall), UK music & hip hop. People intermarry without any hassle. All big Afrobeats artists concerts are always filled with Africans & Caribbeans. Ditto big ragga (dancehall) artists concerts. Also, everyone’s playlist has ragga/Afrobeats/hip hop.
New immigrants from both sides might face a bit of discrimination due to them being fresh. And that’s the way it’s everywhere. But overall, everyone is calm.
This is an interesting thread.
But definitely not something to be proud of & willing to say in public. The person just gave white revisionist ammunition for their narrative.
This will overshadow the Africans that fought against slavery. And most Africans were captured especially the coastal tribes - not sold.
But definitely not something to be proud of & willing to say in public. The person just gave white revisionist ammunition for their narrative.
This will overshadow the Africans that fought against slavery. And most Africans were captured especially the coastal tribes - not sold.
Roland Coltrane
Superstar
Receipts of what?
And think, a Nigerian can just waltz over to the US, bubble in black or African descent and reap the benefits of the enslaved people they aided in shipping over here.
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Let me just add this:
European traders captured some Africans in raids along the coast, but bought most of them from local African or African-European dealers. These dealers had a sophisticated network of trading alliances collecting groups of people together for sale. Most of the Africans who were enslaved were captured in battles or were kidnapped, though some were sold into slavery for debt or as punishment.
West Africa
Description of Africa before European slavery from the history of the transatlantic slave trade section of the International Slavery Museum website.
www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk
^That's from Liverpool Museum & Liverpool was the biggest slave port in the UK. So, if even it's admittedly publicly in Europe that Europeans captured Africans in raids on the coast despite hiding the tracks in order not to pay reparations - I'll flip it & say the true story is that majority of slaves were captured. Superior weapons will always win and Europeans had superior weapons. Why would you pay for something you can get for free? Something for you to ponder on. I'd say there were strong African Kingdoms/Empires that they couldn't raid especially the ones in the hinterland due to fear of malaria. However, most of the coastal Africans had weak states and capturing them was a walk in the park.
Also, if all the native Americans they took as slaves and brought to Europe were captured - what makes you think they paid for most of the Africans they took?
I think people need to start focusing on the Jews that financed the slave trade and owned most of the slave ships and stop the unnecessary internecine wars. Africans didn't write the history books - the victors did. And the victors will always write something that favours them.
Nkrumah Was Right
Superstar
My argument would be those superior weapons were expensive to manufacture and maintain plus transporting a lot of them to capture human who are willing to fight back. It was likely cheaper to barter and let someone else do all the grunt work...................................................
Let me just add this:
European traders captured some Africans in raids along the coast, but bought most of them from local African or African-European dealers. These dealers had a sophisticated network of trading alliances collecting groups of people together for sale. Most of the Africans who were enslaved were captured in battles or were kidnapped, though some were sold into slavery for debt or as punishment.
West Africa
Description of Africa before European slavery from the history of the transatlantic slave trade section of the International Slavery Museum website.
^That's from Liverpool Museum & Liverpool was the biggest slave port in the UK. So, if even it's admittedly publicly in Europe that Europeans captured Africans in raids on the coast despite hiding the tracks in order not to pay reparations - I'll flip it & say the true story is that majority of slaves were captured. Superior weapons will always win and Europeans had superior weapons. Why would you pay for something you can get for free? Something for you to ponder on. I'd say there were strong African Kingdoms/Empires that they couldn't raid especially the ones in the hinterland due to fear of malaria. However, most of the coastal Africans had weak states and capturing them was a walk in the park.
Also, if all the native Americans they took as slaves and brought to Europe were captured - what makes you think they paid for most of the Africans they took?
I think people need to start focusing on the Jews that financed the slave trade and owned most of the slave ships and stop the unnecessary internecine wars. Africans didn't write the history books - the victors did. And the victors will always write something that favours them.
Historical fact =/= scapegoat.
Read NOI’s Secret relationship between blacks & Jews. And everything is in there with references from Jews themselves.
Yes, Africans played a role. However, the role Africans played isn’t a clear cut one since they didn’t know the endgame & were just trading due to their understanding of chattel slavery which was universal at the time.
BTW, you’re African - have some sense of pride & stop being an idiot.
Why would they be expensive when they were trading the weapons for slaves?
Most of the slaves they bought were exchanged for weapons (guns & gun powder). And they had cannons they could move around on the coast with horses.
