Geoengineering may not stop global warming if greenhouse gasses continue to increase

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Simulations suggest geoengineering would not stop global warming if greenhouse gasses continue to increase
by Bob Yirka , Phys.org

A trio of researchers, two with Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and the other the California Institute of Technology, developed computer simulations suggesting that using geoengineering to cool the planet would not be enough to overcome greenhouse effects if emissions continue at the current rate. Tapio Schneider, Colleen Kaul and Kyle Pressel have published their results in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


As scientists have become frustrated with the lack of progress toward greenhouse gas emission reductions, some are championing other ways to save the planet. One approach involves geoengineering—altering the Earth to solve a problem. Geoengineering to reduce global warming would involve emitting particulate material into the stratosphere to reflect heat from the sun back into space. Ideas for such an effort involve releasing reflective particles into the stratosphere where they would surround much of the Earth, reflecting back heat and cooling the planet. The idea is based on prior research demonstrating that parts of the Earth become cooler after volcanic eruptions due to ash spewed into the atmosphere. It has not been tested in the real world, and some researchers suggest there could be significant unforeseen side-effects. Additionally, the same technology could, in theory, be used as a weapon. In this new effort, the researchers built a computer simulation to determine whether such an approach would work.

They found that geoengineering could work, but only up to a certain point. If greenhouse gasses are not curbed, they will rise to levels that would have a negative impact on stratocumulus clouds, making them thin, and in some cases, eliminating them. Without this cloud cover, even the introduction of particles into the atmosphere would not be enough to prevent global warming. They suggest that geoengineering would not be a solution that some have proposed if levels of greenhouse gas emissions are not reduced.
 

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I’ve sometimes wondered if it might be prudent to bring back extinct Megaflora. There are efforts by scientists to resurrect extinct fauna like the Woolly Mammoth but it might make more sense and be more relevant to try that with plant life large enough to take in the excess carbon dioxide. Maybe plant more Redwood trees and other very large trees. Should also be trying to support sustainable marine environments as they play a major part in photosynthesis.

At the very least, we should be trying to not let the greenhouse effect turn into a runaway train. We’ve come to far to avoid warming though.
 
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I’ve sometimes wondered if it might be prudent to bring back extinct Megaflora. There are efforts by scientists to resurrect extinct fauna but it might make more sense and be more relevant to try that with plant life large enough to take in the excess carbon dioxide. Maybe plant more Redwood trees and other very large trees. Should also be trying to support sustainable marine environments as they play a major part in photosynthesis.

At the very least, we should be trying to not let the greenhouse effect turn into a runaway train. We’ve come to far to avoid warming though.

Finding natural solutions to carbon sequestration would be pretty cool. I'll have to look up megafauna and the role it plays. What kills me is we have the technology to tackle this problem but not the will. Everything is market driven which will almost certainly drive us off a cliff.
 

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Finding natural solutions to carbon sequestration would be pretty cool. I'll have to look up megafauna and the role it plays. What kills me is we have the technology to tackle this problem but not the will. Everything is market driven which will almost certainly drive us off a cliff.

Megaflora are extinct plants which were around during the dinosaur age that were abnormally large. I believe this was due to the the higher CO2 content in the atmosphere at the time. Basically giant versions of modern plants. California Redwoods are among the last surviving megaflora life forms left on earth.

Just seems like if there’s more CO2 in the air then we need an abundance of bigger plants to help eat up the extra CO2. As for the market, I think market forces will end up getting behind renewables and it’s already underway but it’s going to take time which we don’t have.
 

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Megaflora are extinct plants which were around during the dinosaur age that were abnormally large. I believe this was due to the the higher CO2 content in the atmosphere at the time. Basically giant versions of modern plants. California Redwoods are among the last surviving megaflora life forms left on earth.

Just seems like if there’s more CO2 in the air then we need an abundance of bigger plants to help eat up the extra CO2. As for the market, I think market forces will end up getting behind renewables and it’s already underway but it’s going to take time which we don’t have.
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I’ve sometimes wondered if it might be prudent to bring back extinct Megaflora. There are efforts by scientists to resurrect extinct fauna but it might make more sense and be more relevant to try that with plant life large enough to take in the excess carbon dioxide. Maybe plant more Redwood trees and other very large trees. Should also be trying to support sustainable marine environments as they play a major part in photosynthesis.

At the very least, we should be trying to not let the greenhouse effect turn into a runaway train. We’ve come to far to avoid warming though.
It's already a runaway train.

The only plausible solution is an international shift along three lines: (1) degrowth; (2) the end to mass-meat agriculture; (3) the nationalization of private lands and the replanting of entire ecosystems. Bringing back extinct megeflora could help with the third option - and may be necessary.
 

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It's already a runaway train.

The only plausible solution is an international shift along three lines: (1) degrowth; (2) the end to mass-meat agriculture; (3) the nationalization of private lands and the replanting of entire ecosystems. Bringing back extinct megeflora could help with the third option - and may be necessary.

Not sure if we can stop population growth unless the planet adopts that China one kid policy. I think we could be way more efficient with how we use land. I agree that there should be nationalization of more lands and let them re-wild themselves. The UK has been using the re-wilding method to restore the country’s natural beauty.

Mass meat is definitely a huge factor in all this too. What I find interesting is that in East Africa there are plenty of pastoralists and herders but they don’t need to deforest nearly as much as people in other parts of the world do. Shrinking the size of the mass meat and dairy industry is very big though and that’ll be more of a challenge. Fishing alone can’t compensate because overfishing is a problem and other protein sources like plant based and even insect foods are still fringe.

The land use issue is big though. I remember in another topic about the Cali forest fires we were discussing how land use effects that fight. When people decide they want luxury homes in the hills or in picturesque areas that impedes any preventative measures to manage forests and integral ecosystems. Even agricultural land, I’ve sometimes thought that if places like NYC dealt with lack of space by building up then why not do something similar with agriculture? Something like green skyscrapers with different cash crops on different floors with a timed watering system via sprinklers and a ventilation system for proper conditions for the plants. This could also prevent issues with pests like the huge locust swarms currently affecting East Africa and parts of the Middle East/South Asia.

One of my bigger concerns too is the Amazon, the deforesting in Central Africa, and the slow desertification of the Sahel. One idea I’ve had for that is to designate zones for reforestation and create rainforests/jungles to try to make up the difference for the trees currently being lost.

So yeah, it’s a runaway train somewhat but I think that’s more to do with how locked in we are with our industries and ways of life rather than what we could actually do. We’ve got the science and the resources to mitigate a total disaster but whether or not we do that is different.
 
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