Getting money out of politics...

[DEAD7]

The exchange below got me thinking...

Gored on either horn of the bull

Taking money out of politics is the only way to tilt that dynamic

You mean look for people who get into politics to actually serve the people?

That's novel

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Only as a means to an end to getting money out of politics.

Its not such a novel idea. A large contingent of America was (and still is) pushing toward that ideal as late as the dem primary. Unfortunately there are too many shills and stooges who resisted doing the right thing during primaries.

Folks were focused on mean online comments instead of changing politics. Resisting the urge to name names

Hopefully yall prioritize your country next time instead of hurt feelings, shilling, think peices and preserving their spot within classism

Wouldnt removing the financial incentives lend itself towards those who are established and do not need money?...meaning older white men.
Seems like a barrier would be created for young minorities lacking the benefit of generational wealth...

How do you young congressional hopefuls compete against the wealthy who dont need to hold down a full time job, have nannies, etc?




Am I completely off base here?

 

[jj23]

The exchange below got me thinking...







Wouldnt removing the financial incentives lend itself towards those who are established and do not need money?...meaning older white men.
Seems like a barrier would be created for young minorities lacking the benefit of generational wealth...

How do you young congressional hopefuls compete against the wealthy who dont need to hold down a full time job, have nannies, etc?




Am I completely off base here?

Therein lies the rub.

 

[Mook]

Dead7 has had the same gimmick for 15 years but this move takes the cake. It's 2020 and only now is he trying the "money out of politics means politicians don't earn a salary so how can they compete" move.

I'm actually gonna go read cato institute and see if this is the new republican strategy.

 

[OfTheCross]

It's not just the money...the entire campaign system would have to get reformed.

For example: as part of their ability to use our Internet and Airwaves...companies like FB and local news should be forced to create pages and provide limited airtime for free to candidates.

I like public financing of elections, but if we can't get that, I think that only individual donations should be allowed.

Get rid of Dark Money PACs all together. If you're scared to put your name on it then don't promote it.

Limit ad spending to 2x - 4x whatever the salary for the position is

The point is, to make the system more equitable for all who want to participate

 

[AnonymityX1000]

The exchange below got me thinking...







Wouldnt removing the financial incentives lend itself towards those who are established and do not need money?...meaning older white men.
Seems like a barrier would be created for young minorities lacking the benefit of generational wealth...

How do you young congressional hopefuls compete against the wealthy who dont need to hold down a full time job, have nannies, etc?




Am I completely off base here?

Out of the campaigning process not the actual job. If you limit campaigning to a month with equal amounts of public funding problem solved. This isn't about politician's salaries, you didn't know that?

 

[jj23]

Where would we begin though?

Ultimately it comes down to how fair we want to be.

If you have a party running a campaign for an election against another, what would the maximum amount of money be that could go towards a campaign?

When you decide that is 3rd party money and advertising banned altogether?

If someone raises 100k and someone else raises 500k, wouod the state cover the 400k shortfall to make sure both candidates are on equal footing?

 

[Kenny West]

The exchange below got me thinking...







Wouldnt removing the financial incentives lend itself towards those who are established and do not need money?...meaning older white men.
Seems like a barrier would be created for young minorities lacking the benefit of generational wealth...

How do you young congressional hopefuls compete against the wealthy who dont need to hold down a full time job, have nannies, etc?




Am I completely off base here?

Money as in the practice of lobbying

 

[DEAD7]

Out of the campaigning process not the actual job. If you limit campaigning to a month with equal amounts of public funding problem solved. This isn't about politician's salaries, you didn't know that?

I see...
wouldn’t this favor celebrities and candidates9like Trump) who receive constant news coverage at zero cost?

 

[DEAD7]

Money as in the practice of lobbying

Wouldn’t this favor those in position to offer favors?
Jobs, admissions, etc.
Lobbying isn’t limited to cash... and removing money seems like it’ll just make lobbying more difficult to track.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I see...
wouldn’t this favor celebrities and candidates9like Trump) who receive constant news coverage at zero cost?

Uh, no more than the current system. I don't think we are looking for an election process that has some type of control over the media are we?

 

[DEAD7]

Uh, no more than the current system. I don't think we are looking for an election process that has some type of control over the media are we?

No not at all, but if we are looking to limit campaign spending, how does one overcome a celebrity opponent with Constant media coverage?
It seems like an increase to the celebrity advantage.

 

[the cac mamba]

as long as america exists, there will be money in politics

the only thing you can do is limit how much individuals/companies can contribute

and its obvious that both sides steal from the coffer, but you cant act like running a campaign doesnt cost a shytload of money. the only alternative would be some sort of state-run commission where we decided each side got X amount might as well be china at that point

 

[MoneyTron]

Thank goodness the Republicans fought so hard for Citizens United.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

No not at all, but if we are looking to limit campaign spending, how does one overcome a celebrity opponent with Constant media coverage?
It seems like an increase to the celebrity advantage.

Why is it an increase instead of remaining static? They amount of coverage would remain the same.
And is this a huge problem? Celebrities running for office? I don't think so.

 

[DEAD7]

Why is it an increase instead of remaining static? They amount of coverage would remain the same.
And is this a huge problem? Celebrities running for office? I don't think so.

You remove the possibility compensating with more spending no?
Not so much celebrities running... but controversy becomes a way of increasing visibility/coverage with spending caps. This seems to benefit candidates like Trump.

Right now i believe Biden has over 100 more to spend on ads and other campaign needs then Trump... and it doesnt seem unfair or something in need of reform to me. The incumbent is already at an advantage and you can never really "level the playing field".