Seemed like before COVID every chance you have a convo with a young breh or somebody a mf bringing up socialism or some weirdo shyt. Smh. Then when you try to explain why systemically that shyt can’t sustain itself and add the human nature element to it they get to going on about “whataboutism” etc but thankfully it seems a lot of em wisened up, and getting up to speed about entrepreneurship, trades or going back to school and leave all that broke boy babel to the weirdo blacks and cacs
We have a mixed system now we don't have a pure capitalistic system. People aren't calling for pure socialism we are asking for a better mixed system similar to what we had pre Reagan era.
It's freshman-junior year college campus talk. Listened to the commentary then from others. Not surprisingly, the exact same people are now avowed capitalists . Displaying the conspicuous consumption that they criticized as young adults.
1. The rich privatize profits and socialize losses. That’s what we have. And that’s not capitalism.
2. Capitalism is inherently predatory and exploitative.
3. Until people define socialism as a system, I’m not going to listen to anyone’s idea on why it’s so awful. Because it has become more of a buzzword for conservative loons than an alternative (or complement) to capitalistic principles.
This is a system backed by world ending weapons and might, not by PURE “commerce” and “merit” lol
Why else would you need to force countries to take loans that stop them from producing for themselves or you’ll fund a coup? Not only can they not do anything for themselves, they have to sit and wait for “foreign nationals” to invest in projects that give people jobs. And those foreign nationals give the jobs to other foreign nationals. You do that because you’re scared of competing. That sounds regulated as fukk as well but it works for so called capitalists, who I thought hates regulations
And all the things they did to people in socialist countries, the capitalist whites did here to us. I don’t worship man made systems fukk em all.
2. All the rich white people who drive mclarens use Ebt and Medicaid
Yea a few years ago if you didn't agree with anti capitalism and socialism you were considered a trump supporter.
Obviously being in the middle is the best place to be because while we need social services and safety nets we don't need to be taxed out of enjoying the money we work hard for and obliterated with high consumer pricing
It's freshman-junior year college campus talk. Listened to the commentary then from others. Not surprisingly, the exact same people are now avowed capitalists . Displaying the conspicuous consumption that they criticized as young adults.
This sort of nonsense pretty much sums up the quality of anti-socialist discourse. It's the equivalent of that conservative mantra, "If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain." Just a smug contentless assertion meant to position the speaker as superior without actually having to demonstrate or defend their positions.
The vast majority of what I understand and believe about socialism has been built in the nearly two decades since I turned 24, and it's been built via engaging on a very practical street level with the largest issues of our time both in the USA and across the world, trying to work through the root causes of those issues, and then engaging with brilliant thinkers both in person and through history to see what they thought of it.
On numerous occasions I have highlighted the fundamental issues with modern capitalism on this board, how the very basis of capitalism ensures constant pressure to transfer resources from the poor to the rich, to force overconsumption even when it is against personal happiness and welfare, and to exploit the environment and resources to the point of no return. And when I have made those arguments in deep detail, not once has a single pro-capitalist engaged the actual underlying arguments. They either just toss out another catchphrase and insult or they disappear.
Notice in every conversation, when we actually get into the details of what is wrong with capitalism, all the pro-capitalists can respond with are cliches and insults. It's clear that not a single one of them has engaged seriously with the root issues of capitalism in their entire life, all they know are the public debates on a superficial level, and so all they repeat are the spin doctors rather than the people actually trying to solve these problems.
The most intelligent people I meet in my everyday life are far more likely be socialists than the average person. The most intelligent people I read are far more likely to be socialists than the average person. The people who spend their lives engaging with the biggest issues in society are far more likely to be socialists than the averae person. If you spend your times with intellectuals, with serious students of history, and with social activists, civil rights activists, and social/community workers either in USA or abroad, you're far more likely to be spending your time with socialists. Thus the claim that it's just something naive, inexperienced people think who don't know anything about the world is ridiculous nonsense on its face.
You're surrounding yourself with people who choose to sell themselves to capitalism, and then assuming that must mean capitalism is all there is.
I'm interested to know what ignorance or lack of experience you think W.E.B. DuBois, Hubert Harrison, Paul Robeson, Stokely Carmichael, Martin Luther King Jr., Bayard Rustin, Malcolm X, James Baldwin, etc. had that made them all anti-capitalist and so unenlightened like yourself that they would be reduced to college freshman babble. Not to mention George Padmore, C. L. R. James, Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Julius Nyerere, Modibo Keita, Leopold Senghor, and so on. The majority of Black intellectuals and civil rights leaders from the 1800s and 1900s both in the USA and throughout the diaspora were either socialist or at very least anti-capitalist, and for very good reason. I'd add that capitulation to capitalism is in large part a major reason why gains have stalled in recent decades and any sort of lasting progress in actual quality of life changes appear quite difficult.
1. The rich privatize profits and socialize losses. That’s what we have. And that’s not capitalism.
2. Capitalism is inherently predatory and exploitative.
3. Until people define socialism as a system, I’m not going to listen to anyone’s idea on why it’s so awful. Because it has become more of a buzzword for conservative loons than an alternative (or complement) to capitalistic principles.
You’re wasting your time in educating blockheads. The countries with the best systems in the world - Scandinavian countries - are inherently socialist to an extent. Even the UK is inherently socialist to an extent like the rest of Europe - with NHS, welfare, etc. The US also has a lot of socialist policies.
The problem with these clowns is that they have been brainwashed by media propaganda that only broadcast the extreme of socialism - without any understanding of the concept/ideology.
There’s no perfect ideology & the extremes of both capitalism & socialism are disastrous. Hence a mixed economy which most stable countries practice is the most suitable concept until humans can develop a better concept.
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