Despite all the information out on the public domain, people still repeatedly utter this nonsense about MJ "luring" kids into his bed or sleeping in bed with children and this is further exacerbated by half truths and twists the media dishes out.
Even worse is they'll use cut off/edited videos of MJ talking about this or out of context clips to sort of hold this over as the one variable that can't be explained.
Hopefully you read the info here to gain a better understanding.
All of this is from an article with references you can find yourself easily with them embedded into the article. Lawyer statements, interviews and public court documents. This destroys the narrative I've seen some espouse about "guarded sleepovers"(taken directly from that horror movie) and "sleeping in the same bed" I routinely see posted online ad nauseam.
Going over bedroom issues in Michael Jackson’s home AGAIN
Even worse is they'll use cut off/edited videos of MJ talking about this or out of context clips to sort of hold this over as the one variable that can't be explained.
Hopefully you read the info here to gain a better understanding.
All of this is from an article with references you can find yourself easily with them embedded into the article. Lawyer statements, interviews and public court documents. This destroys the narrative I've seen some espouse about "guarded sleepovers"(taken directly from that horror movie) and "sleeping in the same bed" I routinely see posted online ad nauseam.
Going over bedroom issues in Michael Jackson’s home AGAIN
SEPTEMBER 27, 2011
by Vindicatemj (Helena)
Sorry I was away from the blog when all this unnecessary fighting over Michael Jackson’s sleepover issues took place here. Actually I was busy writing about the same subject and the reason which started me on this topic again was a reader’s comment which I didn’t like at all. I wouldn’t have reacted to it if I hadn’t noticed that the comment was highly inaccurate and heavily sprinkled with innuendoes – and this in spite of the fact that it is supposed to be coming from a supporter of Michael Jackson.
The reader said:
The way the phrase about “inviting strange children to his home” is worded it sounds like he wandered along the streets, took strange children by their hand and invited them to his home.
This kind of a statement is similar to a hater’s and absolutely won’t do for this blog. Whenever Michael invited anyone to Neverland he always invited whole families and parents with their children and these people remember it very well that Michael was making arrangements for their future visit to Neverland with parents and not their small ones . So after we make a correction and replace “children” with a more general term the above reader’s statement will sound as follows:
Thus correction of only one word in the above reader’s statement immediately took our conversation into a different direction and made us wonder whether it was really safe for Michael to invite families he hardly knew to stay with him and whether Michael wasn’t too trusting and too believing in other people’s good that he endangered his home and ultimately his life in such a reckless manner.
I am afraid that the danger of coming across rascals and con artists under such a system was really very high. But if you ask me it is this particular Michael’s feature which tells me of his innocent and trusting nature more than anything else – he had a very pure heart and opened the door of Neverland to almost everyone around as he trusted and believed in the good of other people even if it wasn’t there to be found.
The second statement from the same reader on “sleeping in the same bed with many children”, which shocked the reader so much, frankly shocked me too but in a somewhat different way – I just couldn’t recall Michael saying anything like that and the bluntness of such a statement looked somewhat strange to me.
In all cases of doubt we should immediately go to the original (in this case it is Bashir’s filthy documentary) to verify whether this was indeed said and in what context it was. The transcript of that episode was readily awaiting us on a haters’ site, so we easily learn from there that the above Michael’s statement did take place but came in the following context:
Martin Bashir: “When you are talking about children we met Gavin – and it was a great privilege to meet Gavin because he’s had a lot of suffering in his life – when Gavin was there he talked about the fact that he shares your bedroom?”
Jackson: “Yes.”
Bashir: “Can you understand why people would worry about that?”
Jackson: “Because they are ignorant.”
Bashir: “But is it really appropriate for a 44-year-old man to share a bedroom with a child that is not related to him at all?”
Jackson: “That’s a beautiful thing.”
Bashir: “That’s not a worrying thing?”
Jackson: “Why should that be worrying, what’s the criminal…who’s Jack the Ripper in the room? There’s some guy trying to heal a healing child … I’m in a sleeping bag on the floor. “I gave him the bed because he has a brother named Star, so him and Star took the bed and I went along on the sleeping bag.”
Bashir: “Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?”
Jackson: “No, but….”
Let us stop here for a moment and make a note of a couple of things.
First, both Bashir and Michael are speaking of sharing a bedroom and not a bed and some of us are probably still able to see the difference between the two.
Second, Michael is speaking of healing a sick child and since we know that Gavin was ill with cancer, his request to Michael to allow him sleep in his bed had the power of a law over him – what a child dying of cancer wishes, so the obliging Michael Jackson will do as this is what the basic idea of the “make the wish” foundation is. Our Lynette is perfectly right when she says,
Third, we find out that Gavin was accompanied into that bed by his brother Star and that Michael neverslept in bed with either of them and that he took a sleeping bag on the floor instead.
The above is easily corroborated by the further transcript found on the same haters’ site. They provide the episode where Gavin says that he stayed in Michael’s bedroom for one night and explains how he found himself there.
Gavin says he asked Michael if he could stay in his bedroom, invited Michael to take a bed with him and even insisted on it, however Michael refused.
Michael didn’t even remember how he slept that night – in a sleeping bag or on a blanket on the floor – and it was again Gavin who explained to him that he “packed the whole mess of blankets on the floor”. This makes it clear that it was a kind of an impromptu arrangement – never planned in advance – which sprang from Michael’s total inability to refuse the wish of a “dying child”. It is noteworthy that it wasn’t his healthy brother Star who was the initiator of that sleeping arrangement but Gavin, ill and bald after the chemotherapy, who wanted to sleep in Michael’s bedroom and take his bed as his “last wish”.
Bashir invites Gavin to say that it was a customary arrangement in Michael’s home but Gavin says that “there was one night” and even that night came only after he asked for it. After a long battle between Michael and Gavin about which of them will sleep on the floor Michael had the final say – his guests will take the bed while he sleeps on the floor:
Bashir: “When you stay here, do you stay in the house? Does Michael let you enjoy the whole premises?”
Gavin: “There was one night, I asked him if I could stay in his bedroom. He let me stay in the bedroom.” “And I was like, ‘Michael you can sleep in the bed’, and he was like ‘No, no, you sleep on the bed’, and I was like ‘No, no, no, you sleep on the bed’, and then he said ‘Look, if you love me, you’ll sleep in the bed‘. I was like ‘Oh mannnn?” so I finally slept on the bed.” “But it was fun that night.”
Jackson: “I slept on the floor. [to Gavin] Was it a sleeping bag?”
Gavin: “You packed the whole mess of blankets on the floor.”
Bashir: “But Michael, you’re a 44-year-old man now, what do you get out of this?”
Gavin: “He ain’t 44, he’s 4!”
Jackson: “Yeah, I’m 4. I love, I feel, I think what they get from me, I get from them. I’ve said it many times, my greatest inspiration comes from kids. Every song I write, every dance I do, all the poetry I write, is all inspired from the level of innocence.” “That consciousness of purity. And children have that. I see God in the face of children. And man, I just love being around that all the time.”
Bashir: “But when people hear that children from other families have come and they’ve stayed in your house, they’ve stayed in your bedroom ..?”
Jackson: “Very few.”
I agree that the number of those children who stayed in Michael’s bedroom was few and we have a different impression of it only because the whole issue was heavily exaggerated and blown out of proportion by the media, prosecution and Michael’s haters.
But how very interesting it is to read and reread those questions and answers again! When I read it nowBashir’s question about Michael being 44 looks to me like a simple reprimand that he shouldn’t be so much childlike at his mature age. This is probably how both Gavin and Michael took the question too, as Gavin says that Michael is not older than 4 and Michael agrees with it and explains that children’sspirit of innocence is his greatest inspiration and this is why he feels he is 4 years old when he is around them….
But then the conversation suddenly takes a different turn. To my big surprise Michael raises a bed issue himself and mentions that he has been to bed with many children. The listener immediately pricks his ears and assumes that Michael speaks of a succession of children “going through his bed”, however Michael goes on to explain and eventually it becomes clear that by “many” he means whole families who sometimes spent the night in his bed – for example, the whole gang of young Culkins who occasionally arranged slumber parties in his room.
He names all those who would jam into his bed:
Bashir: “Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?”
Jackson: “No, but I have slept in a bed with many children. I slept in a bed with all of themwhen Macaulay Culkin was little: Kieran Culkin would sleep on this side, Macaulay Culkinwas on this side, his sisters in there…we all would just jam in the bed, you know. “We would wake up like dawn and go in the hot air balloon, you know, we had the footage. I have all that footage.”
Let me note here that the video for the same episode (spread by Michael’s detractors all over the Internet) is somewhat different from the above text – it abruptly ends after the very first sentence about “many children”. It doesn’t mention the Culkins and stops short after the crucial words thus creating theimpression that Michael was bragging about sleeping with many children – in the same way some men brag about how many women they took into their bed.
The fact that the video doesn’t go on with the Culkins story is no small affair. One and the same sentence will sound totally different depending on whether you give details for it or not. Please compare these sentences modeled after Michael’s statement:
However Michael’s detractors pretend to be blind, deaf and not being able to see the difference. They want to pass one thing for the other and leave us with only “I’ve slept with many children” phrase not specifying that he was talking about the Culkins who crammed into his bedroom and turned it into a common dormitory.
The ‘beauty’ of this small but effective haters’ trick is that formally we cannot say that it wasn’t true – Michael did say it, only he meant something completely different and they didn’t allow him to say what it was! They knowingly went for half-truth only because it is practically the same as a half-lie and is often much more damaging as a little bit of truth sprinkled over the distorted facts makes the result more credible than a usual lie.
The hater’s trick brings us to a video filled with innuendoes revolving around that “sleeing in bed” concept. The time afforded for the video could have allowed to add a couple of seconds to tell the wholestory, however since the Culkins are not fitting into haters’ ideology out the Culkin family goes and incomes the “dark Jackson’s secret”:
SEPTEMBER 27, 2011
by Vindicatemj (Helena)
Sorry I was away from the blog when all this unnecessary fighting over Michael Jackson’s sleepover issues took place here. Actually I was busy writing about the same subject and the reason which started me on this topic again was a reader’s comment which I didn’t like at all. I wouldn’t have reacted to it if I hadn’t noticed that the comment was highly inaccurate and heavily sprinkled with innuendoes – and this in spite of the fact that it is supposed to be coming from a supporter of Michael Jackson.
The reader said:
- “I don’t believe the sleepovers were sexual, but what Michael didn’t understand is that inviting strange children over to your home and sleeping in the same bed with them is not normal behavior, and given the serious allegations that were made against him, it made him look like a ped-le in the eyes of the public. When I saw the Bashir film, I was very disappointed and shocked when he told Bashir “I’ve slept in bed with many children”.
The way the phrase about “inviting strange children to his home” is worded it sounds like he wandered along the streets, took strange children by their hand and invited them to his home.
This kind of a statement is similar to a hater’s and absolutely won’t do for this blog. Whenever Michael invited anyone to Neverland he always invited whole families and parents with their children and these people remember it very well that Michael was making arrangements for their future visit to Neverland with parents and not their small ones . So after we make a correction and replace “children” with a more general term the above reader’s statement will sound as follows:
- “…what Michael didn’t understand is that inviting strange people over to your home is not normal behavior”.
Thus correction of only one word in the above reader’s statement immediately took our conversation into a different direction and made us wonder whether it was really safe for Michael to invite families he hardly knew to stay with him and whether Michael wasn’t too trusting and too believing in other people’s good that he endangered his home and ultimately his life in such a reckless manner.
I am afraid that the danger of coming across rascals and con artists under such a system was really very high. But if you ask me it is this particular Michael’s feature which tells me of his innocent and trusting nature more than anything else – he had a very pure heart and opened the door of Neverland to almost everyone around as he trusted and believed in the good of other people even if it wasn’t there to be found.
The second statement from the same reader on “sleeping in the same bed with many children”, which shocked the reader so much, frankly shocked me too but in a somewhat different way – I just couldn’t recall Michael saying anything like that and the bluntness of such a statement looked somewhat strange to me.
In all cases of doubt we should immediately go to the original (in this case it is Bashir’s filthy documentary) to verify whether this was indeed said and in what context it was. The transcript of that episode was readily awaiting us on a haters’ site, so we easily learn from there that the above Michael’s statement did take place but came in the following context:
Martin Bashir: “When you are talking about children we met Gavin – and it was a great privilege to meet Gavin because he’s had a lot of suffering in his life – when Gavin was there he talked about the fact that he shares your bedroom?”
Jackson: “Yes.”
Bashir: “Can you understand why people would worry about that?”
Jackson: “Because they are ignorant.”
Bashir: “But is it really appropriate for a 44-year-old man to share a bedroom with a child that is not related to him at all?”
Jackson: “That’s a beautiful thing.”
Bashir: “That’s not a worrying thing?”
Jackson: “Why should that be worrying, what’s the criminal…who’s Jack the Ripper in the room? There’s some guy trying to heal a healing child … I’m in a sleeping bag on the floor. “I gave him the bed because he has a brother named Star, so him and Star took the bed and I went along on the sleeping bag.”
Bashir: “Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?”
Jackson: “No, but….”
Let us stop here for a moment and make a note of a couple of things.
First, both Bashir and Michael are speaking of sharing a bedroom and not a bed and some of us are probably still able to see the difference between the two.
Second, Michael is speaking of healing a sick child and since we know that Gavin was ill with cancer, his request to Michael to allow him sleep in his bed had the power of a law over him – what a child dying of cancer wishes, so the obliging Michael Jackson will do as this is what the basic idea of the “make the wish” foundation is. Our Lynette is perfectly right when she says,
- After the 1993 case the only way that any child could personally meet Michael Jackson was if it came through the charity ” Make A Wish”. The child had to be terminally ill.
Third, we find out that Gavin was accompanied into that bed by his brother Star and that Michael neverslept in bed with either of them and that he took a sleeping bag on the floor instead.
The above is easily corroborated by the further transcript found on the same haters’ site. They provide the episode where Gavin says that he stayed in Michael’s bedroom for one night and explains how he found himself there.
Gavin says he asked Michael if he could stay in his bedroom, invited Michael to take a bed with him and even insisted on it, however Michael refused.
Michael didn’t even remember how he slept that night – in a sleeping bag or on a blanket on the floor – and it was again Gavin who explained to him that he “packed the whole mess of blankets on the floor”. This makes it clear that it was a kind of an impromptu arrangement – never planned in advance – which sprang from Michael’s total inability to refuse the wish of a “dying child”. It is noteworthy that it wasn’t his healthy brother Star who was the initiator of that sleeping arrangement but Gavin, ill and bald after the chemotherapy, who wanted to sleep in Michael’s bedroom and take his bed as his “last wish”.
Bashir invites Gavin to say that it was a customary arrangement in Michael’s home but Gavin says that “there was one night” and even that night came only after he asked for it. After a long battle between Michael and Gavin about which of them will sleep on the floor Michael had the final say – his guests will take the bed while he sleeps on the floor:
Bashir: “When you stay here, do you stay in the house? Does Michael let you enjoy the whole premises?”
Gavin: “There was one night, I asked him if I could stay in his bedroom. He let me stay in the bedroom.” “And I was like, ‘Michael you can sleep in the bed’, and he was like ‘No, no, you sleep on the bed’, and I was like ‘No, no, no, you sleep on the bed’, and then he said ‘Look, if you love me, you’ll sleep in the bed‘. I was like ‘Oh mannnn?” so I finally slept on the bed.” “But it was fun that night.”
Jackson: “I slept on the floor. [to Gavin] Was it a sleeping bag?”
Gavin: “You packed the whole mess of blankets on the floor.”
Bashir: “But Michael, you’re a 44-year-old man now, what do you get out of this?”
Gavin: “He ain’t 44, he’s 4!”
Jackson: “Yeah, I’m 4. I love, I feel, I think what they get from me, I get from them. I’ve said it many times, my greatest inspiration comes from kids. Every song I write, every dance I do, all the poetry I write, is all inspired from the level of innocence.” “That consciousness of purity. And children have that. I see God in the face of children. And man, I just love being around that all the time.”
Bashir: “But when people hear that children from other families have come and they’ve stayed in your house, they’ve stayed in your bedroom ..?”
Jackson: “Very few.”
I agree that the number of those children who stayed in Michael’s bedroom was few and we have a different impression of it only because the whole issue was heavily exaggerated and blown out of proportion by the media, prosecution and Michael’s haters.
But how very interesting it is to read and reread those questions and answers again! When I read it nowBashir’s question about Michael being 44 looks to me like a simple reprimand that he shouldn’t be so much childlike at his mature age. This is probably how both Gavin and Michael took the question too, as Gavin says that Michael is not older than 4 and Michael agrees with it and explains that children’sspirit of innocence is his greatest inspiration and this is why he feels he is 4 years old when he is around them….
But then the conversation suddenly takes a different turn. To my big surprise Michael raises a bed issue himself and mentions that he has been to bed with many children. The listener immediately pricks his ears and assumes that Michael speaks of a succession of children “going through his bed”, however Michael goes on to explain and eventually it becomes clear that by “many” he means whole families who sometimes spent the night in his bed – for example, the whole gang of young Culkins who occasionally arranged slumber parties in his room.
He names all those who would jam into his bed:
Bashir: “Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?”
Jackson: “No, but I have slept in a bed with many children. I slept in a bed with all of themwhen Macaulay Culkin was little: Kieran Culkin would sleep on this side, Macaulay Culkinwas on this side, his sisters in there…we all would just jam in the bed, you know. “We would wake up like dawn and go in the hot air balloon, you know, we had the footage. I have all that footage.”
Let me note here that the video for the same episode (spread by Michael’s detractors all over the Internet) is somewhat different from the above text – it abruptly ends after the very first sentence about “many children”. It doesn’t mention the Culkins and stops short after the crucial words thus creating theimpression that Michael was bragging about sleeping with many children – in the same way some men brag about how many women they took into their bed.
The fact that the video doesn’t go on with the Culkins story is no small affair. One and the same sentence will sound totally different depending on whether you give details for it or not. Please compare these sentences modeled after Michael’s statement:
- I slept with many girls.
- I slept with many girls when a whole company of them dropped at my place. One of them was on the left, another on the right, two more in the middle, we all would just jam in the bed.
However Michael’s detractors pretend to be blind, deaf and not being able to see the difference. They want to pass one thing for the other and leave us with only “I’ve slept with many children” phrase not specifying that he was talking about the Culkins who crammed into his bedroom and turned it into a common dormitory.
The ‘beauty’ of this small but effective haters’ trick is that formally we cannot say that it wasn’t true – Michael did say it, only he meant something completely different and they didn’t allow him to say what it was! They knowingly went for half-truth only because it is practically the same as a half-lie and is often much more damaging as a little bit of truth sprinkled over the distorted facts makes the result more credible than a usual lie.
The hater’s trick brings us to a video filled with innuendoes revolving around that “sleeing in bed” concept. The time afforded for the video could have allowed to add a couple of seconds to tell the wholestory, however since the Culkins are not fitting into haters’ ideology out the Culkin family goes and incomes the “dark Jackson’s secret”:
Going over bedroom issues in Michael Jackson’s home AGAIN
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Fam this coli , do you really expect people to read all of that
