Grandmaster Caz on Why Older Generations Struggle to Connect with New Rappers
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Da Spot Is Hot
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As an old head myself the disconnect comes from the beats. They either sound like an entire different genre, pop, use the exact same trap patterns that we’ve been hearing for a decade, drums that are way overproduced, childlike melodies that sound strange etc etc
….or with modern boom bap a lot of annoying, droning, boring samples are being used. The drumless records have gotten way out of hand even though it’s dope sometimes.
And don’t get me started on the overused warbly effect on samples that overdo the warped record sound. So annoying
Anyways I do find new gen stuff that I dig. I just have to dig for it more.
….or with modern boom bap a lot of annoying, droning, boring samples are being used. The drumless records have gotten way out of hand even though it’s dope sometimes.
And don’t get me started on the overused warbly effect on samples that overdo the warped record sound. So annoying
Anyways I do find new gen stuff that I dig. I just have to dig for it more.
Been like this all through time.. music was always about a moment in time.. what you were doing then and now. I don't have opps.. my girl ain't ratchet. I got bills.. I cant and will not relate to 95% of music today. That goes for these non singing R&B artists too.
Taadow
The StarchBishop™️
The thing is - we have to admit that everything is different now; even the things that are the same.
Hip-Hop started with the kids who couldn’t go anywhere and didn’t have nothing, but wanted to party.
Hip-Hop is still based on the kids with nowhere to go, but they don’t want to do anything.
If you wanted to rap back then, you had to prove yourself. Whether in the street, at the lunch table, on a stage, etc.,
and someone who had resources had to put you on because you probably didn’t have no studio or equipment yourself.
That also meant you had to be different from other people.
If a kid today wants to rap, he can get a Tascam for his birthday, hook it up to his laptop and make as many songs as
his heart desires in his room. Even if he sucks, he doesn’t have to run the gauntlet. Thus, he can still have all the brash confidence
of LL in Krush Groove. And because he doesn’t have to be on proving ground, he doesn’t have to be different from everyone/anyone else.
”Your chit sounds like (insert rapper)” is a compliment now when it used to be an insult.
but there’s a double standard in that idea as well. The kids have figured out what one exec said: “When you have a character,
that is when you can become a star”. It’s the Rap Star Era where the goal is to crossover/go viral than to be illyformded.
Iono if I told this story before, but:
One time I was talking with my nephew and his homies.
It comes up that one of them raps. I said ”Word? Hol’ up imma give you a beat…” (I make beats.)
He said - “Naw, I don’t just be rapping in public like that.”
Of course when I hear that I’m full O.G. status talmbat “Mayne, when I was y’all’s age I was waiting to give bars off top for WHOEVER”…
The other boys was pressing him, so he agreed.
But he said “Don’t give me no beat” (Strike 2)…”like - before I get started you need to know my rap name is Vampire.”
Ooookay.
Vamp got to spitting. He had a decent flow, you can tell he was flow focused.
But his bars are all about being a vampire and chit.
To be fair and contextual, this was around the time Twilight, Supernatural, and Trueblood was poppin’ off so that was kinda a thing.
But my point is - he was a 17/18 year old kid who had figured out his character and how he was coming, plus he had a decent flow.
A kid like that gets on Soundcloud and gets 500 listens, you can’t tell him chit - he’s a rapper. A lot of us from before that era might have
some heat but we wouldn’t even come outside with no chit like that.
Hip-Hop started with the kids who couldn’t go anywhere and didn’t have nothing, but wanted to party.
Hip-Hop is still based on the kids with nowhere to go, but they don’t want to do anything.
If you wanted to rap back then, you had to prove yourself. Whether in the street, at the lunch table, on a stage, etc.,
and someone who had resources had to put you on because you probably didn’t have no studio or equipment yourself.
That also meant you had to be different from other people.
If a kid today wants to rap, he can get a Tascam for his birthday, hook it up to his laptop and make as many songs as
his heart desires in his room. Even if he sucks, he doesn’t have to run the gauntlet. Thus, he can still have all the brash confidence
of LL in Krush Groove. And because he doesn’t have to be on proving ground, he doesn’t have to be different from everyone/anyone else.
”Your chit sounds like (insert rapper)” is a compliment now when it used to be an insult.
but there’s a double standard in that idea as well. The kids have figured out what one exec said: “When you have a character,
that is when you can become a star”. It’s the Rap Star Era where the goal is to crossover/go viral than to be illyformded.
Iono if I told this story before, but:
One time I was talking with my nephew and his homies.
It comes up that one of them raps. I said ”Word? Hol’ up imma give you a beat…” (I make beats.)
He said - “Naw, I don’t just be rapping in public like that.”
Of course when I hear that I’m full O.G. status talmbat “Mayne, when I was y’all’s age I was waiting to give bars off top for WHOEVER”…
The other boys was pressing him, so he agreed.
But he said “Don’t give me no beat” (Strike 2)…”like - before I get started you need to know my rap name is Vampire.”
Ooookay.
Vamp got to spitting. He had a decent flow, you can tell he was flow focused.
But his bars are all about being a vampire and chit.
To be fair and contextual, this was around the time Twilight, Supernatural, and Trueblood was poppin’ off so that was kinda a thing.
But my point is - he was a 17/18 year old kid who had figured out his character and how he was coming, plus he had a decent flow.
A kid like that gets on Soundcloud and gets 500 listens, you can’t tell him chit - he’s a rapper. A lot of us from before that era might have
some heat but we wouldn’t even come outside with no chit like that.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
I grew up. Hip hop refuses to. Nothing left to say.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
It is actually really simple.
A rapper is a misappropriated construct.
It really is not a real cultural construct in hiphop.
We are not talembout hiphop tslembout rappers.
The issue is there are no new emcees.
There are only the misappropriated construct.
of being a culture thief affectionately called a rapper.
Art Barr
A rapper is a misappropriated construct.
It really is not a real cultural construct in hiphop.
We are not talembout hiphop tslembout rappers.
The issue is there are no new emcees.
There are only the misappropriated construct.
of being a culture thief affectionately called a rapper.
Art Barr
Doobie Doo
Veteran
Stop, breh.
You didn't have enemies before? You never had skeezers and slutsbefore? I don't understand how you can't related to the music unless you never smoked, partied, drink and fukked hoes before. If you're argument is that the music is shyt then cool but pretending you don't know what these young nikkas are talking about is cap unless you never left the house.
Older hip hop fans don’t even be listening to hip hop anymore..
shyt i rarely listen these days
shyt i rarely listen these days
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
FACTS!!
It's definitely the production for me too.
The lack of lyricism is an issue, but the production has just fallen off so badly, it makes so much of the new sh*t unlistenable for me. This thing where dudes are using the same patterns and sounds over and over again, is baffling. I always wonder how this generation doesn't have a problem with that. I guess they just don’t know any difference. But those of us from the 90's remember when music was a lot more creative and had mad lanes where you could f*ck with a variety of styles.