Haile Selassie/Menelik II : "We are caucasian"

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  1. GetInTheTruck

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    "'I am not a Negro at all; I am a Caucasian' the Emperor Menelik told the West Indian pan-Africanist Benito Sylvian who had come to Addis Ababa to solicit the Emperor's leadership in a society for the 'Amelioration of the Negro race.' Haile Sellassie confirmed that view in a declaration to Chief H. O. Davis, a well known Nigerian nationalist, stating that the Ethiopians did not regard themselves as Africans, but as 'a mixed Hamito-Semitic people (2006, John H. Spencer, p. 306)"

    I was casually googling some of the stupid claims @Leasy was making in another thread and I came across this :what: How authentic is this quote? or is this just some bullshyt?
     
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    I never heard of it....
     
  3. GetInTheTruck

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    well apparently the quotes were pulled from this site which has a pro-eritrea agenda : http://www.madote.com/2010/03/were-ethiopian-leaders-colonialist.html

    but the garvey quote on the page is....interesting to say the least.

    I'm ignorant about the Ethiopian/Eritrean relationship so I can't speak on that at all, but what do you make of these quotes? Taken out of context or what? Some of that shyt is head-scratching.
     
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    that quik dude should be able to explain that

    :whoo:
     
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    It's true. Some Eritreans think they are white also BUT habesha is Semitic
     
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    :dwillhuh::dead:
     
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    Lmao...the world isnt quite dark as you might think...white power.
     
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    Ethiopians have a predilection for that c00n shyt unfortunately. While i've never heard this quote, it sounds like something he might say.
     
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    I am honored. I wouldn't be surprised if Hallie said that but Menelik was the first to king to boss up against European invaders in modern times until they came back years later but typical of Africans he didn't feel the need to respect or help his fellow countrymen.

    He hated other parts of African because he consider them pagans for their crazy practices. He align himself with the European scramble.
     
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    Menelik was also the same guy that sold Eritrea to the Italians so he could weaken Emperor Yohannes IV's rule as well as strengthen his own army to secure his own rule. Menelik was a great leader but he made some big errors too. Mainly not pushing the Italians out of Eritrea when he had a chance, selling off all the coastal lands Ethiopia had to the Europeans, not switching from a slave based agricultural economy to an industrial one when he had a chance. Still tho, I'd take Eritrean propaganda sites with a grain of salt. They absolutely HATE both Menelik and Haile but it doesn't help that semitic Eritreans are Tigrays while Menelik and Haile were semitic Amharas which is their long time tribal rival.

    As far as that quote goes I'd need a link for it, not to say it would surprise me tho cuz Ethiopia was a slave society when Menelik was in power and Haile abolished slavery in the 1920s in order to gain entry into the League of Nations. Race in Ethiopia isn't like race in the Americas, you had the semitic tribes (Amhara/Tigray) which were more mixed and lighter than their southern counterparts the Cushytes and Nilotic peoples which are dark and have all the features you'd expect of Africans and so the lighter peoples were near the coast so they had the means to more modern technology than the tribes of the south. With that technology also came racial ideas, Ethiopians were referred to by cacs of that time as the most advanced form of Negro and at best semi-barbarous due to some "caucasian blood" and perhaps it was this that brought about those feelings.

    Menelik and Haile both made the mistake of thinking these Europeans respected Ethiopia's history or sovereignty or didn't look at them all as black. Thankfully they were sharp enough to keep the country from being colonized, but the slave industry that'd gone on for centuries set the country back majorly in terms of economics and the racist ideas that European trade partners gave us fukked the racial ideals of the country.

    Really this is too tricky a subject, its not as simple as black and white.
     
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    Iv heard North Africans and other East Africans claim the same thing.
     
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    I heard Dominicans, Brazilians and Mexicans too.

    With the European expansion not surprised by this at all.


    Good looking.
     
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    :myman: good look on the info breh this stuff is mad interesting
     
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    What year is that quote? I smell bullshyt if this was after we chase Italy out. In fact this is Selassie's speech to the League of Nations, Bob Marley made a song out of it. I wouldn't say taking up for the African cause is something a "caucasian" would do.

     
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    eris/habeshas on that c00n shyt

    bet you can't say that about somalis doe :umad:

    :pachaha:
     
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