How come players dont wanna play with kobe but they wanna play with bron ?

[Wacky D]

It has a lot to do with Kobe. Kobe's a selfish cold blooded dude who's only concerned with winning and his own stats/glory. For another alpha male there's only 2 options, fight or bow down, and become the beta. No alpha male is gona bow down to a player cause of what he was once capable of. Lebron made DWade voluntarily bow down cause he was flat out better than him, no way a dude like Aldridge or Howard etc. was gona play 2nd fiddle to a dude who can't even stay on the court.

lol.

remember when kobe was talking on some 'dwight is gonna get the torch when im done' type chit?

right then & there, i knew dwight was as good as gone after the season.

 

[FaTaL]

kobe made his bed

now he gotta lay in it

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Shaq was the alpha, Kobe was 2nd in line until Kobe came up enough to challenge him and he was younger and more marketable so the Lakers went with Kobe. Just cause he's the alpha and worried about his own stats doesn't mean he won't defer to a player, such as Gasol, when necessary, it just means he's gona take every opportunity to show his dominance. Hence why Gasol was such a doormat on the Lakers, he was just the perfect person with the perfect mentality to play #2 to Kobe. And I never said Kobe had no ability to work with others, I just implied that Kobe will only work with others who are willing to completely surrender to his will, and play the game the way he thinks it should be played. And he is one of the all time greats so obviously with the right pieces around him that can work, but an aging injury prone Kobe who still has that same mindset is not someone people are lining up to play with. When Kobe retires I think there's a very strong chance LA becomes a premier free agent destination again.


Also, I never said Dwight was better than Kobe. But Dwight had too much pride and ego to be Kobe's sidekick. And if you think an alpha/beta etc. dynamic doesn't exist in sports locker rooms and social groups in general you're way off. Lebron and the Cavs is the perfect example. He's like them dude's step pops, big brother, coach, and idol all in one.


I also wana add that if Kobe in the last few years of his career, particularly when Dwight signed, was willing to take a back seat and play the #2 or 3 option he very well may have added another couple chips.

Gasol wasn't a doormat because of Kobe, he was a doormat because of his soft play at times. Laker fans only gripe with Gasol was that he didn't go as hard as he could and for all the opportunities given he'd have moments where he fukks up or puts up some weak shyt. Which also makes the whole Pau carried Kobe narrative hilarious(not saying you, jut a random thought). I disagree with the idea that Kobe needs people to surrender to his will, Kobe encouraged Gasol to be aggressive and one of the biggest reasons why Laker fans shytted on Pau ultimately was from his inability to step up in 2012 when Kobe was obviously playing injured. Hell he needed Phil to punch in in the chest. In all my years of watching Kobe play I never got the idea that he wanted players to completely defer to him it was those teams that usually brought Kobe the least amount of success.

If you were to say players want to make their own impact on the team rather than sharing that load with Kobe then I'd understand. But I honestly believe the weaknesses of this organization are finally showing themselves and not a lot of players want to be stuck with that and a bunch of young players post-Kobe. Dwight couldn't handle LA and ultimately most fans didn't really like the idea of him getting the keys to the franchise. Plus Dwight didn't, doesn't, and never will have the offensive ability for Kobe to be obliged to take a lesser role. Again, that season was one of Kobe's best offensively so why the fukk would he even be a 2nd or 3rd option? Pretty backhanded to say the least, if Dwight had a little more impact on offense Kobe wouldn't of had to blow his achilles out just to get the team to the playoffs.

 

[Lifer11]

Gasol wasn't a doormat because of Kobe, he was a doormat because of his soft play at times. Laker fans only gripe with Gasol was that he didn't go as hard as he could and for all the opportunities given he'd have moments where he fukks up or puts up some weak shyt. Which also makes the whole Pau carried Kobe narrative hilarious(not saying you, jut a random thought). I disagree with the idea that Kobe needs people to surrender to his will, Kobe encouraged Gasol to be aggressive and one of the biggest reasons why Laker fans shytted on Pau ultimately was from his inability to step up in 2012 when Kobe was obviously playing injured. Hell he needed Phil to punch in in the chest. In all my years of watching Kobe play I never got the idea that he wanted players to completely defer to him it was those teams that usually brought Kobe the least amount of success.

If you were to say players want to make their own impact on the team rather than sharing that load with Kobe then I'd understand. But I honestly believe the weaknesses of this organization are finally showing themselves and not a lot of players want to be stuck with that and a bunch of young players post-Kobe. Dwight couldn't handle LA and ultimately most fans didn't really like the idea of him getting the keys to the franchise. Plus Dwight didn't, doesn't, and never will have the offensive ability for Kobe to be obliged to take a lesser role. Again, that season was one of Kobe's best offensively so why the fukk would he even be a 2nd or 3rd option? Pretty backhanded to say the least, if Dwight had a little more impact on offense Kobe wouldn't of had to blow his achilles out just to get the team to the playoffs.

Gasol was def a doormat on his own, which is part of the reason I said he was the perfect person to play with Kobe and why I said "such a doormat" pointing to the extent it went to while playing with Kobe. And I should've emphasized that Kobe should've been willing to play a #2 or 3 role AT TIMES later in his career, and only a #3 role if the Lakers would've added someone else after Dwight. Which I believe, had he shown a willingness to play 2nd fiddle to Dwight at times, would've been an easy task to put together a new big 3 with two young anchors to carry the torch for Kobe.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Gasol was def a doormat on his own, which is part of the reason I said he was the perfect person to play with Kobe and why I said "such a doormat" pointing to the extent it went to while playing with Kobe. And I should've emphasized that Kobe should've been willing to play a #2 or 3 role AT TIMES later in his career, and only a #3 role if the Lakers would've added someone else after Dwight.

Pau was great but he wasn't perfect. Kobe and KG or Kobe and Duncan would've been perfect. Kobe has no problem with you if you go hard and put in work. Gasol to his credit stepped up when it mattered and we got 2 titles from it but there were times he didn't step up that also cost us titles.

Kobe imo is more than willing to take a back seat as long as that player truly warrants it. That's why dwight ain't get no love ultimately, he wasn't good enough to be that. Kobe is effective on and off the ball and would preserve himself instead of carrying the same burden at 36-37 that he did in '06. Why else would we trade for CP3 if Kobe was so dead set on dominating all facets of basketball. That vetoed trade would've extended Kobe's career, prevented the achilles, and more than likely got him his 6th title. No one appreciates just how huge that decision was and its fallout.

 

[Kid McNamara]

If you want to be the greatest of all-time at something, there’s going to be a negative side to that.

Do we have time to build great friendships? No. Do we have time to socialize and to hangout aimlessly? No. Do we want to do that? No. We want to work. I enjoy working.

Of course. It’s not like I’m saying, ’I don’t need friends because I’m so strong.’ It’s a weakness. When I was growing up in Italy, I grew up in isolation. It was not an environment suited to me. I was the only black kid. I didn’t speak the language. I’d be in one city, but then we’d move to a different city and I’d have to do everything again. I’d make friends, but I’d never be part of the group, because the other kids were already growing up together. So this is how I grew up, and these are the weaknesses that I have.

New generation of weak-ass, no heart players have no way of understanding the above. Matter of fact, 99% of the population has no clue. fukk 'em.