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How Student Loans Create Demand for Useless Degrees
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Last week, former Secretary of Education and US Senator Lamar Alexander wrote in the Wall Street Journal that a college degree is both affordable and an excellent investment. He repeated the usual talking point about how a college degree increases lifetime earnings by a million dollars, “on average.” That part about averages is perhaps the most important part, since all college degrees are certainly not created equal. In fact, once we start to look at the details, we find that a degree may not be the great deal many higher-education boosters seem to think it is.

In my home state of Minnesota, for example, the cost of obtaining a four-year degree at the University of Minnesota for a resident of Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Manitoba, or Wisconsin is $100,720(including room and board and miscellaneous fees). For private schools in Minnesota such as St. Olaf, however, the situation is even worse. A four-year degree at this institution will cost $210,920.

This cost compares to an average starting salary for 2014 college graduates of $48,707. However, like GDP numbers this number is misleading because it is an average of all individuals who obtained a four-year degree in any academic field. Regarding the average student loan debt of an individual who graduated in 2013, about 70 percent of these graduates left college with an average student loan debt of $28,400. This entails the average student starting to pay back these loans six months after graduation or upon leaving school without a degree. The reality of this situation is that assuming a student loan interest rate of 6.8 percent and a ten-year repayment period, the average student will be paying $326.83 every month for 120 months or a cumulative total re-payment of $39,219.28. Depending upon a student’s job, this amount can be a substantial monthly financial burden for the average graduate.

All Degrees Are Not of Equal Value
Unfortunately, there is no price incentive for students to choose degrees that are most likely to enable them to pay back loans quickly or easily. In other words, these federal student loans are subsidizing a lack of discrimination in students’ major choice. A person majoring in communications can access the same loans as a student majoring in engineering. Both of these students would also pay the same interest rate, which would not occur in a free market.

In an unhampered market, majors that have a higher probability of default should be required to pay a higher interest rate on money borrowed than majors with a lower probability of default. In summary, it is not just the federal government’s subsidization of student loans that is increasing the cost of college, but the fact that demand for low-paying and high-default majors is increasing, because loans for these majors are supplied at the same price as a major providing high salaries to its possessor with a low probability of default.

And which programs are the most likely to pay off for the student? The top five highest paying bachelor’s degrees include: petroleum engineering, actuarial mathematics, nuclear engineering, chemical engineering and electronics and communications engineering, while the top five lowest paying bachelor’s degrees are: animal science, social work, child development and psychology, theological and ministerial studies, and human development, family studies, and related services. Petroleum engineering has an average starting salary of$93,500 while animal science has an average starting salary of $32,700. This breaks down for a monthly salary for the petroleum engineer of $7,761.67 versus a person working in animal science with a monthly salary of $2,725. Based on the average monthly payment mentioned above, this would equate to a burden of 4.2 percent of monthly income (petroleum engineer) versus a burden of 12 percent of monthly income (animal science). This debt burden is exacerbated by the fact that it is now nearly impossible to have student loan debts wiped away even if one declares bankruptcy.

Ignoring Careers That Don’t Require a Degree
Meanwhile, there are few government loan programs geared toward funding an education in the trades. And yet, for many prospective college students, the trades might be a much more lucrative option. Using the example of plumbing, the average plumber earns $53,820 per year with the employer paying the apprentice a wage and training.

Acknowledging the fact that this average salary is for master plumbers, it still equates to a $20,000 salary difference between it and someone with a four-year degree in animal science while having no student loans as a bonus. Outside of earning a four-year degree in science, technology, engineering, math or, accounting with an average starting salary of $53,300, nursing with an average starting salary of $53,624, or as a family practice doctor on the lower end of physician pay of $161,000, society might be better served if parents and educators would stop using the canard that a four-year degree is always worth the cost outside of a few majors mentioned above. Encouraging students to consider the trades and parents to give their children the money they would spend on a four-year college degree to put a down payment on a house might be a better use of finite economic resources. The alternative of forcing the proverbial square peg into a round hole will condemn another generation to student debt slavery forcing them to put off buying a home or getting married.

Loans Drive Overall Demand
The root of the problem is intervention by the federal government in providing student loans. Since 1965 when President Johnson signed the Higher Education Act tuition, room, and board has increased from $1,105 per year to $18,943 in 2014–2015. This is an increase of 1,714 percent in 50 years. In addition, the Higher Education Act of 1965 created loans which are made by private institutions yet guaranteed by the federal government and capped at 6.8 percent. In case of default on the loans, the federal government — that is, the taxpayers — pick up the tab in order for these lenders to recover 95 cents on every dollar lent. Loaning these funds at below market interest rates and with the federal government backing up these risky loans has led to massive malinvestment as the percentage of high-school graduates enrolled in some form of higher education has increased from 10 percent before World War II to 70 percent by the 1990s. Getting a four-year degree in nearly any academic field seemed to be the way in which to enter or remain in the middle class.

But just as with the housing bubble, keeping interest below market levels while increasing the money supply in terms of loans — while having the taxpayer on the hook for a majority of these same loans — leads to an avalanche of defaults and is a recipe for disaster.



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How Student Loans Create Demand for Useless Degrees
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Last week, former Secretary of Education and US Senator Lamar Alexander wrote in the Wall Street Journal that a college degree is both affordable and an excellent investment. He repeated the usual talking point about how a college degree increases lifetime earnings by a million dollars, “on average.” That part about averages is perhaps the most important part, since all college degrees are certainly not created equal. In fact, once we start to look at the details, we find that a degree may not be the great deal many higher-education boosters seem to think it is.

In my home state of Minnesota, for example, the cost of obtaining a four-year degree at the University of Minnesota for a resident of Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Manitoba, or Wisconsin is $100,720(including room and board and miscellaneous fees). For private schools in Minnesota such as St. Olaf, however, the situation is even worse. A four-year degree at this institution will cost $210,920.

This cost compares to an average starting salary for 2014 college graduates of $48,707. However, like GDP numbers this number is misleading because it is an average of all individuals who obtained a four-year degree in any academic field. Regarding the average student loan debt of an individual who graduated in 2013, about 70 percent of these graduates left college with an average student loan debt of $28,400. This entails the average student starting to pay back these loans six months after graduation or upon leaving school without a degree. The reality of this situation is that assuming a student loan interest rate of 6.8 percent and a ten-year repayment period, the average student will be paying $326.83 every month for 120 months or a cumulative total re-payment of $39,219.28. Depending upon a student’s job, this amount can be a substantial monthly financial burden for the average graduate.

All Degrees Are Not of Equal Value
Unfortunately, there is no price incentive for students to choose degrees that are most likely to enable them to pay back loans quickly or easily. In other words, these federal student loans are subsidizing a lack of discrimination in students’ major choice. A person majoring in communications can access the same loans as a student majoring in engineering. Both of these students would also pay the same interest rate, which would not occur in a free market.

In an unhampered market, majors that have a higher probability of default should be required to pay a higher interest rate on money borrowed than majors with a lower probability of default. In summary, it is not just the federal government’s subsidization of student loans that is increasing the cost of college, but the fact that demand for low-paying and high-default majors is increasing, because loans for these majors are supplied at the same price as a major providing high salaries to its possessor with a low probability of default.

And which programs are the most likely to pay off for the student? The top five highest paying bachelor’s degrees include: petroleum engineering, actuarial mathematics, nuclear engineering, chemical engineering and electronics and communications engineering, while the top five lowest paying bachelor’s degrees are: animal science, social work, child development and psychology, theological and ministerial studies, and human development, family studies, and related services. Petroleum engineering has an average starting salary of$93,500 while animal science has an average starting salary of $32,700. This breaks down for a monthly salary for the petroleum engineer of $7,761.67 versus a person working in animal science with a monthly salary of $2,725. Based on the average monthly payment mentioned above, this would equate to a burden of 4.2 percent of monthly income (petroleum engineer) versus a burden of 12 percent of monthly income (animal science). This debt burden is exacerbated by the fact that it is now nearly impossible to have student loan debts wiped away even if one declares bankruptcy.

Ignoring Careers That Don’t Require a Degree
Meanwhile, there are few government loan programs geared toward funding an education in the trades. And yet, for many prospective college students, the trades might be a much more lucrative option. Using the example of plumbing, the average plumber earns $53,820 per year with the employer paying the apprentice a wage and training.

Acknowledging the fact that this average salary is for master plumbers, it still equates to a $20,000 salary difference between it and someone with a four-year degree in animal science while having no student loans as a bonus. Outside of earning a four-year degree in science, technology, engineering, math or, accounting with an average starting salary of $53,300, nursing with an average starting salary of $53,624, or as a family practice doctor on the lower end of physician pay of $161,000, society might be better served if parents and educators would stop using the canard that a four-year degree is always worth the cost outside of a few majors mentioned above. Encouraging students to consider the trades and parents to give their children the money they would spend on a four-year college degree to put a down payment on a house might be a better use of finite economic resources. The alternative of forcing the proverbial square peg into a round hole will condemn another generation to student debt slavery forcing them to put off buying a home or getting married.

Loans Drive Overall Demand
The root of the problem is intervention by the federal government in providing student loans. Since 1965 when President Johnson signed the Higher Education Act tuition, room, and board has increased from $1,105 per year to $18,943 in 2014–2015. This is an increase of 1,714 percent in 50 years. In addition, the Higher Education Act of 1965 created loans which are made by private institutions yet guaranteed by the federal government and capped at 6.8 percent. In case of default on the loans, the federal government — that is, the taxpayers — pick up the tab in order for these lenders to recover 95 cents on every dollar lent. Loaning these funds at below market interest rates and with the federal government backing up these risky loans has led to massive malinvestment as the percentage of high-school graduates enrolled in some form of higher education has increased from 10 percent before World War II to 70 percent by the 1990s. Getting a four-year degree in nearly any academic field seemed to be the way in which to enter or remain in the middle class.

But just as with the housing bubble, keeping interest below market levels while increasing the money supply in terms of loans — while having the taxpayer on the hook for a majority of these same loans — leads to an avalanche of defaults and is a recipe for disaster.



How Student Loans Create Demand for Useless Degrees

This is such a dumb article that it's annoying. First thing first nobody ever really pays sticker price for these colleges, unless they're wealthy and or privileged.So he can throw in those high cost numbers, however for most Americans that number is fraudulent. The only people paying six figure full cost are online for profit school graduates. That's their fau

Secondly, the average student debt in America is around 30,000 a year. Less for public colleges, more for private colleges. In the grand scheme of things this is nothing in comparison to the long term benefits of such degrees.

Thirdly, This article doesn't look at the long term benefits of those " Useless" degrees. I think liberal arts degree students eventually match Those engineering degree students. Agai this article only looked at the short term. Never the long term.

Again this article is just trash, to make the low educated part of our society feel better about themselves because they didn't attend college. I know my statement may come off as elitist but thats my genuine belief.


I will admit tho, there should be some more investment in trade schools. They seem like a respectable alternative for SOME students.
 

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i dont cosign this, i think the value of having educated people even if its with weak degrees make it worth it overall

also its false that the there arent federal loan programs for trade schools, trade schools get the same federal loans universities get

federal loans have an income based repayment option so if you graduate with a 4 year degree and are working at starbucks you will be fine
 

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This is such a dumb article that it's annoying. First thing first nobody ever really pays sticker price for these colleges, unless they're wealthy and or privileged.So he can throw in those high cost numbers, however for most Americans that number is fraudulent. The only people paying six figure full cost are online for profit school graduates. That's their fau

Secondly, the average student debt in America is around 30,000 a year. Less for public colleges, more for private colleges. In the grand scheme of things this is nothing in comparison to the long term benefits of such degrees.

Thirdly, This article doesn't look at the long term benefits of those " Useless" degrees. I think liberal arts degree students eventually match Those engineering degree students. Agai this article only looked at the short term. Never the long term.

Again this article is just trash, to make the low educated part of our society feel better about themselves because they didn't attend college. I know my statement may come off as elitist but thats my genuine belief.


I will admit tho, there should be some more investment in trade schools. They seem like a respectable alternative for SOME students.


Do you have some statistics to back up your claims regarding people paying full price for college and the liberal arts degrees catching up to STEM degrees?


When student debt tanks your retirement

New data from LIMRA, an association providing research and consulting to insurers, shows that just $30,000 in student debt can cut as much as $325,000 from your 401(k) balance by the time you retire.

That is hardly an outlandish amount to borrow. As of 2014, the average studentgraduating with debt had borrowed $28,950, up from $18,550 a decade earlier, according to The Institute for College Access and Success. And some 69 percent of the class of 2014 borrowed for college.

If millennials had access to defined benefit retirement plans, where employers made contributions on their behalf, their retirement would be more secure. But only 10 percent of workers under age 30 have access to a defined benefit plan, according to LIMRA's Secure Retirement Institute. That means the onus for retirement saving is almost entirely on them, and those paying down debt are at a clear disadvantage.

"With Gen Y being in defined contribution plans, the time for them to really get ahead is in their 20s and early 30s, but if they have a huge student loan, they really can't do that," said Michael Ericson, research analyst for the institute.


Here are some long term ramifications. If you think about economic prosperity, especially for the US, it is predicated on consumerism. The US is a consumer driven economy. A lot of millennials may have difficult time balancing debts, saving for retirement and boosting the economy through large purchases like vehicles and houses. This is actually common sense which is why I'm not sure why you're talking about long term or calling the article trash. An educated populace is requisite for any functioning society but ignoring the issues this country has today as a result of the debt brought on by the pursuit of higher education is short sighted.

That doesn't mean student loans aren't a drag on the economy as a whole. Analysts say that student loan debt has had widespread economic repercussions. In a report published last year, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau said student debt is one reason that 20- and 30-somethings seem to be living a prolonged adolescence, including living with their parents, failing to contribute to retirement accounts and postponing big consumer purchases such as cars.

"Rising student debt burdens may prove to be one of the more painful aftershocks of the Great Recession, especially if left unaddressed," said the bureau's student-loan ombudsman, Rohit Chopra, in a speech in November.

Student-loan debt also has warped the economy, contributing to a shortage of primary-care doctors — highly indebted med-school graduates are more likely to specialize in big-bucks sectors like dermatology and radiology — and has stymied entrepreneurship. The National Association of Realtors reported in July that nearly half of Americans describe student loan burdens as a huge obstacle to homeownership: "It proves to be a real detriment across the board."
 

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i dont cosign this, i think the value of having educated people even if its with weak degrees make it worth it overall

also its false that the there arent federal loan programs for trade schools, trade schools get the same federal loans universities get

federal loans have an income based repayment option so if you graduate with a 4 year degree and are working at starbucks you will be fine


I agree. An educated populace is never a bad thing, however, the long term ramifications of this situation should be addressed.
 

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I'd like to reform k-12...:manny:
IMO we arent serious about educating society if we arent talking k-12.
:mjlol:

So again, how are we going to get to post scarcity asap and transition well politically and socially without a completely educated society?
 
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