How valuable are 1st round NBA picks if you're not in the lottery?
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O.iatlhawksfan
Devoted Joel Embiid hater
I always wonder this like a top 15 pick is cool but late first rounders are crapshoots
As far as the Magic pics those last 2 years are the ones I’m looking at
As far as the Magic pics those last 2 years are the ones I’m looking at
That’s fair.
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
The value of first round picks is mostly dependent on where you are in the lifecycle of your team. The worse you are the more you need them because for bad lottery teams they are the best way to acquire talent, good players don't want to come play for a bad team that doesn't do anything but lose.
Once your team is good and you are a perennial playoff team trying to advance in the playoffs or win a championship, they are almost worthless since at that point it's highly likely your team is so good that some pick person picked between 16 and 32 who has 0 nba experience isn't going to help your team much, due to the majority if not all the players on your team already are older, more experienced, and better, than some 19 year old who just got into the league a week ago. Also your front office is under the gun to get results or get fired, so the decision makers are much less likely to care about picks they won't be around to use anyway if things go bad.
The driving force behind the Banes trade was somebody at the top, if not the owner themselves, telling the magic front office "we paying 3 max contracts to suggs, bootleg bron, and one of these wagner dudes, that it to much money to be spending for 5 to 7 extra games a year. You need to make a move to get us out the first round or we will make a move to replace some people around here. Magic front office then says fukk them picks we don't care what the price is to get the player we want cause if we go home in the 1st round again we not going to be around to use them.
Once your team is good and you are a perennial playoff team trying to advance in the playoffs or win a championship, they are almost worthless since at that point it's highly likely your team is so good that some pick person picked between 16 and 32 who has 0 nba experience isn't going to help your team much, due to the majority if not all the players on your team already are older, more experienced, and better, than some 19 year old who just got into the league a week ago. Also your front office is under the gun to get results or get fired, so the decision makers are much less likely to care about picks they won't be around to use anyway if things go bad.
The driving force behind the Banes trade was somebody at the top, if not the owner themselves, telling the magic front office "we paying 3 max contracts to suggs, bootleg bron, and one of these wagner dudes, that it to much money to be spending for 5 to 7 extra games a year. You need to make a move to get us out the first round or we will make a move to replace some people around here. Magic front office then says fukk them picks we don't care what the price is to get the player we want cause if we go home in the 1st round again we not going to be around to use them.
triplehate
Superstar
If you are a small market team always stack picks because it's the only way to acquire talent. I would never cash them out for a vet, just keep cycling 1st rounders
Mirin4rmfar
Superstar
Herro, Bam, now Ware 
, we need a game breaker which we do not have...We are able to get talent but not you this guy will change the game talent.
, we need a game breaker which we do not have...We are able to get talent but not you this guy will change the game talent.
feelosofer
#ninergang
Pretty damn valuable if you have a GM that's a good basketball scout. This is part of the reason Brooklyn hasn't fired Sean Marks. He is a good evaluator of basketball talent. Especially now when teams are trying to build organically.
JoelB
All Praise To TMH
Almost half the starters in The Finals would have been taken outside the lottery. Chet is the only one taken in the top 10
The data shows these mid-late 1st round picks are more important than ever. Now add in the restrictions that comes with being a 2nd apron team.
but keep trading 5 picks for non allstars if u want to
The data shows these mid-late 1st round picks are more important than ever. Now add in the restrictions that comes with being a 2nd apron team.
but keep trading 5 picks for non allstars if u want to
source
Almost half the starters in The Finals would have been taken outside the lottery. Chet is the only one taken in the top 10
The data shows these mid-late 1st round picks are more important than ever. Now add in the restrictions that comes with being a 2nd apron team.
but keep trading 5 picks for non allstars if u want to
source
That was a pretty entertaining video. But I didn’t love that guys way of talking.
100.
The value of non-lottery 1st rounders is all down to luck.
I think folks put far too much in weight in a team's ability to develop those kind of players when they're largely at the peril of an infinite amount of factors that are out of a team's control. And they put far too much weight in a team being able to retain that player if they do develop. Furthermore, by the nature of there being 29 other teams in the league, there's always cheap talent available which you can attain, bypassing what is often a frivolous process of trying to develop those players, so you can pick out the best ones once the dust has settled.
Just look at how valuable Nesmith has been for Indiana these playoffs. The Pacers got him as a miscellaneous piece in a trade. They picked up TJ McConnell on the cheap when Philly no longer wanted him. Obi is another player who's been pivotal for them and Knicks traded him to Indiana for two 2nd rounders.
Being able to scout and integrate players once they've been already in the league is much more valuable than just the picks, themselves.
Depends on the team
As well you can't predict the future. You can have a bad year and suddenly that first round pick you thought might have been 20th is now 5th in a stacked draft
As well you can't predict the future. You can have a bad year and suddenly that first round pick you thought might have been 20th is now 5th in a stacked draft
MegaTronBomb!
Power is in my hair nikka
a 1st is only as valuable as who you've employed to evaluate talent.
A lot of these FO's have nearly disregarded evaluating players who fit your system, or completely writing off people who can straight up play basketball and can contribute....simply cause they don't have the right measurables.
I would've thought the Paul George trade trade would've been the trade that would hard reset the value of firsts...but Bridges and Bane happened, and now we're just on a speed run to who's going to give up 10 picks for someone unless the league intervenes or owners collude.
A lot of these FO's have nearly disregarded evaluating players who fit your system, or completely writing off people who can straight up play basketball and can contribute....simply cause they don't have the right measurables.
I would've thought the Paul George trade trade would've been the trade that would hard reset the value of firsts...but Bridges and Bane happened, and now we're just on a speed run to who's going to give up 10 picks for someone unless the league intervenes or owners collude.
UpAndComing
Veteran
Exactly. Chance and Potential is very valuable lol
