How Was Japan Able to Create an Over As fukk Heel/Anti-Hero When WWE Hasn't Done So In 10+ Years?

[Da King]

The product would turn to trash because instead of giving teh smarks what they want, they'd try to cool off the person who is over in lieu of pushing the person THEY want to push

ex. Roman Reigns

GOATsso said it best, don't ever appeal so the smarks, they will watch no matter what, that white bytch @mrken12 won't stop saying the product is trash but watches every WWE show 2-3x a week, casuals are were the money and ratings are, always has been

 

[prophecypro]

Well to answer the thread title, New Japan does better booking

 

[Bryan Danielson]

My nicca @Silkk

 

[Drones]

funny thing is reigns can be that guy

If they sent Reigns to another country to get some experience and maybe even an iota of charisma I think it would do wonders for him.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

at the revisionism

Puro in general, New Japan included, tends to give huge pushes to young guys as soon as they show enough promise. In the last 15 years, two of the three big main eventers New Japan has had were pushed quick as fukk and didn't show any "organic growth" (Nakamura and Okada). With Shinsuke, it mostly failed for 5 years until he went to Japan and unleashed his Swagamura gimmick. With Okada it clicked as soon as he came back from his failed US excursion. And Tanahashi, although it took longer to get a main event spot, was still highly protected before 06' with the U-30 belt that was pretty much created for him.

Naito was given a big ass push from the get go too. As soon as he was the clear star of NO LIMIT he started getting wins (including a "shocking" win over Tana in a G-1 semifinal). He was gonna get a big title win at the Dome too until his push backfired. He went to Mexico plenty of times and was a rudo before turning heel in Japan, he always had "it" as a heel but booking took pretty much 1 year longer than needed to turn him and let him reign free.

New Japan booking has been waaaaay better than most of WWE's in the last 10 years but let's not act like they are this special place were booking clicks on all cylinders.

Wasn't Inoki still booking during when Naka was green as hell? During that time, of course Naka didn't show his true potential because NJPW around that time was on some MMA/shooting shyt. I feel Gedo and Jado played a huge role into getting Tana, Okada, and Naka over once the revamped of the product came into place. Now Naito, I see your point as sometimes they do push the young boys a bit harder but didn't give Cody Hall a chance .

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

I disagree completely, at least regarding Gedo. He gave Naito the super push and fans weren't buying it, so they turned on him, but he kept pushing him just as hard and Naito had to go away for a while and assume a gimmick from a CMLL stable and come back to get his career back on track. When Gedo brought Okada back, he immediately pushed him to the top of the card and insinsted that he was the future and will be the ace no matter what. He went over Tanahashi a month after his return from excursion and has never lost his position since. Tanahashi and Nakamura got similar "these are the new top guys, deal with it" pushes way early for both of them as well.

Gedo was more than happy to run endless combinations of Tanahashi/Nakamura/Okada and Ishii/Honma/Shibata until the wheels fell off, but he was graced by TNA's incompetence and AJ Styles fell in his lap. Then AJ/Nak both left at the same time and he was forced to elevate Naito and Omega, who otherwise would absolutely still be in the same positions they were in 2015.

True, I know NJPW has faults in its booking with their pushes and swapping the same talent over and over to do matches...yet compared to WWE, at least there's about 30 percent of logic behind some of their booking decisions.

 

[Jmare007]

Wasn't Inoki still booking during when Naka was green as hell? During that time, of course Naka didn't show his true potential because NJPW around that time was on some MMA/shooting shyt. I feel Gedo and Jado played a huge role into getting Tana, Okada, and Naka over once the revamped of the product came into place. Now Naito, I see your point as sometimes they do push the young boys a bit harder but didn't give Cody Hall a chance .

Inokism was behind Nakamura's first super push, that's true. But Jado and Gedo were in charge when he was still bland as fukk in 07'-08' and he got the title run prior to Mutoh. He became Swagamura 2 years after J&G had the book.

What those two did from 06' to 2012 was key for the resurgence of New Japan. There's no doubt about it. But a lot of what has worked for them (well, just Gedo at this point) in the last 3-4 years hasn't been anything to write home about in terms of booking. Of course New Japan looks amazing when compared to WWE's fukked up "writing/booking" system, but that's comparing to a worst case scenario.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Inokism was behind Nakamura's first super push, that's true. But Jado and Gedo were in charge when he was still bland as fukk in 07'-08' and he got the title run prior to Mutoh. He became Swagamura 2 years after J&G had the book.

What those two did from 06' to 2012 was key for the resurgence of New Japan. There's no doubt about it. But a lot of what has worked for them (well, just Gedo at this point) in the last 3-4 years hasn't been anything to write home about in terms of booking. Of course New Japan looks amazing when compared to WWE's fukked up "writing/booking" system, but that's comparing to a worst case scenario.

I guess that's the case. I haven't really follow NJPW until they came out with NJPWorld. I always wanted to watch the promotion since the WCW days, but of course around that time it was all tape swapping. Looking at the promotion from a perspective of enduring the WWE style of booking, its mind blowing. The idea that wrestlers actually competing for the gold, the belt being treated like a shrine than a trinket, and the fact that each event feels like effort is being put towards it. Now the argument of booking being meh during the past 3 to 4 years, there's some portions of NJPW that makes me scratch my head. It's like this, I would take a Juice Robinson push knowing I will get a good match out of it vs 20 Roman Reigns feuds with the same damn wrestler within a month.

 

[JohnB]

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