I always thought it was odd that the Mexican Cartel would kill a DEA agent. The CIA was behind it

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Yeah they would never kill a DEA agent. America gave them the g pass because he was on the verge of exposing CIA/Cartel/Mexico gov connection
 

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I don’t know what to believe.
I hope one day in my lifetime all this stuff gets declassified.
 

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Yeah they would never kill a DEA agent. America gave them the g pass because he was on the verge of exposing CIA/Cartel/Mexico gov connection


Mane shii crazy frfr
Just like with Gary Webb exposing the trade pipeline and ended up dead from two shots to the back of the head but seemed suicide

Shii ain’t what it seem on the surface
 

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Yeah they would never kill a DEA agent. America gave them the g pass because he was on the verge of exposing CIA/Cartel/Mexico gov connection


I don’t know what to believe.
I hope one day in my lifetime all this stuff gets declassified.



I made this whole thread about how they were probably behind the recent drug crisis, but every coliBreh thought I was blowing hot air.

The most common question in that thread is "how can they hurt their own people?"


This is proof. The agencies clearly don't share information . You have them on both sides of the conflict. The fckery they were doing in the 60s and 80s never stopped.


We will probably be 80 when this sht is declassified. :francis:
 

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Lmaooo, the CIA is such a wild organization. Literally just government funded crazy shyt - it legitimately blows my mind thinking about the extent of so many of their operations.

And the craziest thing is that everyone on earth can point their fingers at the CIA for things and nothing comes from it. The closest was ol boy during the trump/Russia shyt and he basically embarrassed himself/ruined his career.

I love it tbh and I'm tryna join. I wanna be a government sanctioned criminal
 

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Put random words together and hope it makes sense brehs.

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This makes a lot of sense. I was just telling my man that these gangs are clearly government affiliated in some way bc how else could they survive long enough to actually build up a whole gang? Sometime during that process of building, somebody found out something and decided to ignore it for their own reasons.

Like, somebody in that big 'this how fast they break into your car in SF' thread posted a video where a citizen had literally gotten footage and license plate numbers of ppl fencing the computers and shyt they be stealing and reported it to the lcal PD. It was a whole damn open air market right in front of his apt, nikkas was out there shooting dice. And nobody ever came.
 

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The reality is they are all interconnected, and in some senses, interdependent, with local/state/federal government in Mexico.

They work together, and are intertwined, but they are not the exact same. it's not like they are all friends. But, they are connected, and friendly sometimes, and other times, not. In their time, the Beltryan-Leyva's/Sinaloa paid the top law enforcement official in the COUNTRY a million or so a month, during the height of the drug wars, 2006/2012. (he has been prosecuted by the US for his conduct, in 2023)

a lot of it is just class based.

The rancheros in Sinaloa vs. the elites in Mexico City,

the rancheros/farmers do the trafficking, the politicos take the bribes, and assist in political/state sponsored ways, like eliminating rivals, leaking info about DEA investigations,

but the organized crime groups have grown very very powerful in the last 20 years, more money plus less organization sometimes, with the effects of the kingpin strategy destabilizing large parts of the country. Also, the profits from cocaine fueled corruption, bribery, and private armed groups in the early 2000's. Then Felipe Calderon declared a war on drugs, but his cabinet (see above) in part, was financed by, and backing the Sinaloa Cartel, as they tried to take various plazas, Tijuana, NL, Juarez, at the FEDERAL level, while state officials were often bought by the local players.

they fear them more than they did. It's an uneasy arrangement. Chapo Guzman said "the government does their thing and I do mine", a simple quote which explains it more than a whole essay.

the whole Camarena thing is not simple or linear either, and it's not just the CIA killed him.
 
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A lot of that book is going to be the idea that "cartel" is a specific business term,

which doesn't academically apply exactly to mexican drug trafficking organizations,

which are more like interconnected families, spanning generations, who directly employee maybe 200 people, and indirectly employee thousands, and also who pay politicians, collaborate on purchasing/producing/shipping/importation, but do not function as a traditional top down CEO like business.

they do not collude on prices, or exert total control over an organization, the way like OPEC or BP might

so you are never going to capture the head of the Sinaloa Cartel, and end it. you get Chapo Guzman, who heads his own family based faction, but his sons step up, and their sons will step up, and cousins, and so on, and on. it's just entrenched, generationally, by blood, in Culiacan.

No one will stop it. The Mexican political class don't want to END the cartels, they want them to chill sometimes.
 
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