I hate hearing most rich black people complain about gentrification.

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Gentrification is successful because people are desperate for money. Most people here would fold if someone flashed serious paper and told them they're willing to spend even more than that.
 

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Gentrification is successful because people are desperate for money. Most people here would fold if someone flashed serious paper and told them they're willing to spend even more than that.

Would take quite a bit for the local Black Churches in these neighborhoods to coordinate with the congregation about what happens to their houses when they pass.

I've seen Grannies give their homes to the Church, but if the church could coordinate with the middle/professional class members in their congregation to develop neighborhood homes and small businesses... Would not be surprised that in DC at least, there are construction company owners as well as accountants and lawyers....

If nothing at all, get a "right of first refusal" on a lot of these spots without letting the Indians/Arabs/Out-of-Town white people flip them... (Both my grannies got taken advantage of when they died....I digress)

Not a Christian, so I won't be the one in the pastor's ear about this.... But wouldn't be surprised if the Reverend tried to get his piece...
 

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what do you consider gentrification to be?

i rehab run down homes in the hood. am i a gentrifier?

years ago barely anyone wanted these houses. now it's a fight to get every one.
 

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what do you consider gentrification to be?

i rehab run down homes in the hood. am i a gentrifier?

years ago barely anyone wanted these houses. now it's a fight to get every one.

I've always seen this video on Youtube but never actually watched it.

This is a discussion with sociologist Mary Pattillo who wrote Black Picket Fences, one of the definitive studies of the black middle class.

One of the points that she makes is that the data doesn't suggest that the black working class is displaced during times of middle class transition of a black neighborhood to the extent that we think. And one of the reasons is that current residence may see the upward trend of a neighborhood and will do everything to stay put.

She says the issue is more of 'replacement' than 'displacement'. That when working class residents do decide to leave, that the next person to move in is typically someone that has a higher income.



Discussion starts at 37:41.

Mary Pattillo lives in the Kenwood neighborhood of Chicago and has done careful research on the movement of the neighborhood and surrounding communities.

There has been lots of discussion around the working class being pushed out of these neighborhoods especially in light of projects such as the Obama Library and the expansion of the University of Chicago.

Mary argues that the data suggest that working families tend to stay in these neighborhoods longer than working class families who stay in disinvested neighborhoods.
 

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honestly, i've never heard well-to-do black folks speak of gentrification in this manner. it's typically spoken in the context of "replacement" and not "displacement". for instance, many people talk about the gentrification of oak bluffs, martha's vineyard, the historic black american summering community off the coast of massachusetts. many whites are buying up the million dollar cottages in this black enclave. the groans are not that they're making things expensive or unaffordable, but that there aren't enough young black buyers who could afford a second home that they could sell to or that young black folks are just not interested in vacationing in martha's vineyard. they seek to preserve the black heritage and culture of the place with no one to pass the legacy on. this is usually how well-to-do black folks speak about gentrification.

in my own city, I don't know of any well-to-do black folks (not talking about md/jd/CPA type professionals) that live in gentrifying communities. they either live in established black communities that are far out of the reach from the effects of gentrification or they live in established affluent communities that are far beyond gentrification. so gentrification as an economic issue is not a thing from what I've seen.
 

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what do you consider gentrification to be?

i rehab run down homes in the hood. am i a gentrifier?

years ago barely anyone wanted these houses. now it's a fight to get every one.
How exactly does this work? The hood is still the hood.

I can't imagine there's a bunch of people lining up to live in a place where break-ins , dope fiends, car thefts, and ricochet bullets are common. And the people that do live there typically can't afford your upgrades to the property.

I've seen cases where even the contractors don't want to work at these properties because any tools they leave there will be gone by morning when they return to the work site.
 
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Would take quite a bit for the local Black Churches in these neighborhoods to coordinate with the congregation about what happens to their houses when they pass.

I've seen Grannies give their homes to the Church, but if the church could coordinate with the middle/professional class members in their congregation to develop neighborhood homes and small businesses... Would not be surprised that in DC at least, there are construction company owners as well as accountants and lawyers....

If nothing at all, get a "right of first refusal" on a lot of these spots without letting the Indians/Arabs/Out-of-Town white people flip them... (Both my grannies got taken advantage of when they died....I digress)

Not a Christian, so I won't be the one in the pastor's ear about this.... But wouldn't be surprised if the Reverend tried to get his piece...
Actually looked into this a few years ago. It's possible for you to put a house into a trust, and appoint an organization like a church to be the administrator. This works even after a person dies, because of the predetermined terms of the trust. the property would still be managed the way that they wanted it to be managed in life


The only other alternative is to have an HOA .
 

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Actually looked into this a few years ago. It's possible for you to put a house into a trust, and appoint an organization like a church to be the administrator. This works even after a person dies, because of the predetermined terms of the trust. the property would still be managed the way that they wanted it to be managed in life


The only other alternative is to have an HOA .

The structure is something I'd leave to the experts - but like many things in the "community" it's not like there aren't solutions or some resources but there's 1) no vision and 2) no will to do these things.

I said this before, but a lot of these churches have kitchens in them. If they got them up to spec to be commercial kitchens - then they could
1) Do a Friday fish fry, every Friday...
2) Turn into a ghost kitchen and have Soul Food, Cajun/Creole, Fried Chicken, Fried Fish - etc coming out that kitchen.
  • Direct revenue for the church
  • Revenue from people that want to start businesses
  • Possibly training for ex-cons in the food game
Again, no vision. Lot of these Churches don't have Sunday schools, much less a Christian School to keep them lil whippersnappers away from the heathens..

It's all types of things that small churches and big churches could do to address the material needs of their congregation, and also the wider community, but they don't.

My community saving days are done, so maybe this will filter out into the ether.
 

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what do you consider gentrification to be?

i rehab run down homes in the hood. am i a gentrifier?

years ago barely anyone wanted these houses. now it's a fight to get every one.

If you buy a run down house that currently rents out for 600, but rehab it to something livable and up to code but then charge market rate of 1200 - you're a gentrifier. You're displacing someone that could pay 600, for someone that can pay 1200.

The only way you're not a gentrifier is building low income (and no profit) housing.
 

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A lot of rich people wanna die rich. Like they can take that stupid shyt with them.

Face the facts, a lot people don't wanna invest in the community.

A lot of wealthy blacks are stingy with their money. That's how some folks are. I got stories for days about black artists not helping each other out and getting ahead.

Everyone wants to be number 1 :yeshrug:
 

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Because only government intervention can stop gentrification. All you're advocating for is black people being the gentrifiers.
 

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capitalism ain't going save us

black people can be gentrifiers too
and now some cities are prioritizing black developers with programs geared towards "affordable" housing only for those black developers to price the houses based off of the market instead of what's actually affordable. ie an affordable housing program pricing houses at $400k and calling it affordable because some other houses in the zip code went on the market for $600k :dead:
 

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Buying, investing in, and building up a community won't stop others from doing the same thing?

Doing that increases property taxes no matter who does the investing, black or white.

The property taxes are what kick the old residents out.
 
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All that only works if the community wants better.

Ya'll going to be mad at me for saying it, you guys are always mad at me so whatever, but the black community as a whole does not want better.

Black people with money and black people without money tend to think exactly the same. The main priority is stunting on other black people.

Not investment in the community; just stunting and living comfortably. So until the community wants better, it will never be better regardless of what one or two people do.
 
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