“I kinda hate how Kamala has to now pander to the black male vote”

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Wtf are you going on about?

Kamala literally explicitly created a half baked "Agenda for Black Men" well after Black men felt that there was nothing there for them implcitily or explicity in her platform. She came off as fugazy, and majority of those promises were not really for Black men since they applied to almost everyone.

So was that illegal then?

Miss me with your remixed history of things

Didn’t work, did it?

Plus, it would get hammered in court. But since you dont know this, then you dont know that kamala only did that because black voter activists (a minority) seem to think this is the only way to speak to black male concerns.

Pick an argument. Do you want policies that beat back court challenges and survival legal tests or do you want the presidential candidate to panders to you with fragile claims that can’t stand on their own?

 

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Black men voted for her, this isn't even a reason she lost. She also did relatively well with white voters overall. The problem was the collapse with Hispanic voters, the decline in the youth vote, and the economy breaking undecided towards Trump. That's all that mattered.

The problem with the comparison is that since black men are NOT the status quo, they want to be spoken to directly like other non-white men demos. But dems have decided to speak to us like children who must either be scolded or tempted with candy. I watched Kamala speak to Hispanic men like adults. I watched her speak to women like adults. And then with us you had some blue haired aide googling "what do black men care about" and deciding oh, lets talk about weed and crypto.


I just ask that dems talk to us like adults. I don't need a "black men plan." I'd rather have a candidate who can go to black men and talk about specific agenda pieces that impact us. I want to hear about small business loans and how to get them to us - which IMO should focus on hiring someone who will rubber stamp approvals for (qualified and semi qualified) black applicants. I want to hear about increasing urban farming by pumping that money into cities. Not just for black men...that would be illegal wink wink. I'm sure white people will get some money too but I wanna hear a dem talk about how it will benefit us. The same way they talk to white farmers in Iowa. I want to hear about free community college. Ending federal weed jail sentences. And yes, ending tariffs so everything you purchase becomes less expensive.

Someone is gonna say "but Kamala said all that." Guess what...she couldn't talk about it because she was a shytty communicator and couldn't handle interviews or combative audiences.

Have I not been literally saying this? You’re more upset with the fact I said it before you did but I dont pretend to pander my way around a mine field to state this clear fact.

Black targeted messaging has expired as a political strategy.

I dont know why you argue with the point I was making. Everyone in here disagrees with you. They DO want a “black men plan”.

So yea, as I was saying you can’t only focus things to “black men” but rather you have to make things non-specific and hope we understand the message.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Have I not been literally saying this? You’re more upset with the fact I said it before you did but I dont pretend to pander my way around a mine field to state this clear fact.

Black targeted messaging has expired as a political strategy.

I dont know why you argue with the point I was making. Everyone in here disagrees with you. They DO want a “black men plan”.

So yea, as I was saying you can’t only focus things to “black men” but rather you have to make things non-specific and hope we understand the message.

I disagree with you about a specific topic - whether republicans cater to white men. Which they unquestionably do. I never said I disagree on black messaging. And I've been saying this for YEARS. Specifically on black farming.

It's clear that the most effective "black plan" you can have is to simply hire black people who deliberately push resources to black people. This is not some wild plan. It's literally how Italians, Jews, Irish etc acquired resources in New York and many other areas decades ago. A process we were largely gated from using. And as I always point out this does NOT mean that white people don't get anything. You WANT white people to get things because it makes it even easier to hide what you're doing - significantly increasing the stuff you're giving black people.

In simple terms...black farmers can't get loans because the USDA is full of people who prioritize white farmers. And this was happening during Obama's terms too so it's not republican-specific. You just put people in charge who are willing to erase the red tape and get black farmers approved faster, while also approving more white farms. That's literally all you need to do and it cannot be stopped.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I disagree with you about a specific topic - whether republicans cater to white men. Which they unquestionably do. I never said I disagree on black messaging. And I've been saying this for YEARS. Specifically on black farming.

The ENTIRE success of guys like Christopher Rufo is undermining diversity programs under the guise that they are not “universal”. They do not CATER EXPLICITLY to white men.

The moment they do this, you would have no problem showing me examples of this.

It's clear that the most effective "black plan" you can have is to simply hire black people who deliberately push resources to black people. This is not some wild plan. It's literally how Italians, Jews, Irish etc acquired resources in New York and many other areas decades ago. A process we were largely gated from using. And as I always point out this does NOT mean that white people don't get anything. You WANT white people to get things because it makes it even easier to hide what you're doing - significantly increasing the stuff you're giving black people.

This is what black voters seem to used to understand except vocal black activists including ADOS/FBA have destroyed that by claiming that unless the next democrat explicitly promises black only set-asides then they will lose, then we have a no win-situation here

In simple terms...black farmers can't get loans because the USDA is full of people who prioritize white farmers. And this was happening during Obama's terms too so it's not republican-specific. You just put people in charge who are willing to erase the red tape and get black farmers approved faster, while also approving more white farms. That's literally all you need to do and it cannot be stopped.

Black farmers themselves aren’t even in the program to be made-whole because they’re black, but because SOME of them had specific legal claims to discrimination. its not even a universal black farmer program.

This is the point I’m making.

 

[Piff Perkins]

The ENTIRE success of guys like Christopher Rufo is undermining diversity programs under the guise that they are not “universal”. They do not CATER EXPLICITLY to white men.

The moment they do this, you would have no problem showing me examples of this.


This is what black voters seem to used to understand except vocal black activists including ADOS/FBA have destroyed that by claiming that unless the next democrat explicitly promises black only set-asides then they will lose, then we have a no win-situation here

Black farmers themselves aren’t even in the program to be made-whole because they’re black, but because SOME of them had specific legal claims to discrimination. its not even a universal black farmer program.

This is the point I’m making.

Eliminating affirmative action-type programs is inherently a pro-white male policy. We've understood that for decades and I'm not letting a random Indian on the internet convince me otherwise.

I do NOT even support DEI btw (which is entirely different from affirmative action). Most of it is indeed discriminatory to some degree or just downright stupid. The end goal being to benefit white women, not black people...

I'm not talking about black farmer discrimination I'm talking about a general policy that ensures black farmers get loans the same way that cac Iowa farmers get them. And we need a mechanism to promote it directly to our farmers. Which likely means having people spreading the news via black churches, barbershops, and other cultural staples where white people aren't present. But when everything is online based and run by blue haired septum ring they/them women it's gonna be online and easy to turn into a political controversy.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Eliminating affirmative action-type programs is inherently a pro-white male policy. We've understood that for decades

It doesn’t matter. It wasn’t coded this way. Asians and Latinos were used to undermine DEI and affirmative action.

and I'm not letting a random Indian on the internet convince me otherwise.

I’m black and I have the longest threads on this forum explaining how this stuff took place. Check my signature.

I do NOT even support DEI btw (which is entirely different from affirmative action). Most of it is indeed discriminatory to some degree or just downright stupid. The end goal being to benefit white women, not black people...

There are people in this very thread who think anyone even getting marginal benefits of DEI or AA outside of black people is too many.

The civil rights movement was not a “black rights” movement"

I'm not talking about black farmer discrimination I'm talking about a general policy that ensures black farmers get loans the same way that cac Iowa farmers get them. And we need a mechanism to promote it directly to our farmers. Which likely means having people spreading the news via black churches, barbershops, and other cultural staples where white people aren't present. But when everything is online based and run by blue haired septum ring they/them women it's gonna be online and easy to turn into a political controversy.

If you want black programs you can’t call them black programs.