I Place Higher "Character/Moral" Standards On R&B Artists

[PhonZhi]

I expect a certain amount of "maturity" "sophistication" & "classiness" from r&b artists. For me, it makes the music more genuine. I cant separate music from an artists personal life. They intertwine. Take Chris Brown for example. I cant take him serious as an "r&b star" knowing that he's really a woman-beating, drugged-up, wanna-be gangmember. It just doesn't sit right with me. It makes the music feel fake and not from the artists' heart. Also i need my r&b artists' music to be consistent content-wise. Ill use CB as an example again. One minute he makes a vulgar song like "h0es aint loyal" and then he's on a song like this:



singing about how he's a changed man. That doesn't fly with me. I dont take his music or Trey Songz music seriously. They are puppets singing songs to me. They aren't TRUE artists to me. That's why they'll never get any of my money. Their music has no consistency. One minute you're singing a legit love song about how you wanna be a one-woman man, and then the next single is a raunchy club joint about oral sex:



I need classiness from my r&b artists. I know that nobody on this earth is perfect, but i atleast want the illusion. It makes the music better for me. REAL r&b to me are cats like Carl Thomas, Boys II Men, Anthony Hamilton and Raheem DeVaughn. Tank would go here too but he dissappointed me highly with this blatant sellout move:



I dont want my r&b artists making music like this. I need them to keep it mature and classy.


I dont know nothin about the above artists' personal lives and its for the better. To me, they are true "artists" compared to these dudes thats all over the tabloids and Instagram and Twitter. Music in general was better when artists had an air of "mystique" about them. I really dont want to know too much about these singers personal lives. Take Robin Thicke for example. In his music he's a classy, mature, sophisticated perfect gentleman. But in real life he's a drunken cheater. I will never be able to listen to a Robin Thicke song again the same. Again, i know that no one on Earth is perfect, but i atleast want my r&b artists to "appear" perfect so the music seems more genuine and true to who the artist really is as a person.

I know most of yall view music as "just entertainment" so im sure that im alone in this thread. But for me its more than that. I need the music to be a direct reflection of who u really are as a person.

 

[Monster]

be a man and listen to r&b brehs.











you're right though, but this logic should apply to rappers too imo but i know i'm alone on that one.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

1 star thread.

 

[PhonZhi]

but this logic should apply to rappers too imo but i know i'm alone on that one.

I get wat u sayin but i dont necessarily expect "classiness" & "sophistication" from the hiphop genre. For example, i really dont like profanity in my r&b. I dont want to hear that in r&b music. In rap, its whatever. I place real r&b artists on a pedistal morally. I expect a certain amount of maturity from them compared to hiphop artists

 

[Monster]

I get wat u sayin but i dont necessarily expect "classiness" & "sophistication" from the hiphop genre. For example, i really dont like profanity in my r&b. I dont want to hear that in r&b music. In rap, its whatever. I place real r&b artists on a pedistal morally. I expect a certain amount of maturity from them compared to hiphop artists

i feel u, it's not that i expect maturity, but rap artists should be who they say they are.

but you're right tho, it's weird that r&b is basically just ike rap now in that aspect especial (ho's ain tloyal) i guess it just shows a change in society/culture more than anything. no one is on that r&b love shyt irl anymore

 

[Knights89]

you share the same thoughts on older acts like David Ruffin? James Brown, etc

 

[Still Benefited]

Don't start this shyt with RNB

When a man is single he might want to fukk alotta bytches with no commitment

When a man is single he may want to fukk alotta bytches while still wanting commitment with a woman who got away

When a man is in a committed relationship he might still want to fukk alotta bytches

I always liked Kellz cuz he pretty much covered all feelings...you talking like we aint complex

 

[Ribbs]

Class and subtlety have been missing from R&B for some time now. You really gotta search for R&B music that have no cursing (which for awhile I wasn't a fan before I gave in), that don't have the same content as most rap and actually being able to sing. Ty Dolla can actually sing but his content at times .

 

[Bomberman]

I kind of agree. Even though plenty of singers back in the day weren't calm either.

I think just "world" music and music about love in general, not just romantic love, but love of being human like what MJ used to make is missing from R&B. That shyt with a lot of empathy. Although that's just one element.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I don't expect shyt from artists. I judge based on the product. John Lennon was an abusive a$$hole who beat his wife when drunk. Stevie Wonder out chea knocking up young girls. D'Angelo was an abusive drug addict. Prince was/is an a$$hole. Charles Mingus violently berated and attacked people including band members.

Music is full of artists who were shytty people. Some of the most talented artists were mad or unhinged. I'm not going to judge an artist based on their personal life - I'm going to judge them based on their actual art. Sometimes great art is birthed out of bad shyt. Think of all the drugs and violence that probably birthed your favorite classic albums.

 

[wet landscapes]

why do artists need to sell a persona for their talent to be recognized?

 

[PhonZhi]

you share the same thoughts on older acts like David Ruffin? James Brown, etc

Yea, in theory but i know alot of cats back in the day was more wild than todays' artists. Honestly, i like to know as little about artists personal lives as possible. Tyrone Davis, for example. He was played alot in the house growing up. I know absolutely nothing about his personal life. I have a Best Of album of his that i play regularly. All i know about him is his music. Thats how i like it

 

[PhonZhi]

Class and subtlety have been missing from R&B for some time now. You really gotta search for R&B music that have no cursing (which for awhile I wasn't a fan before I gave in), that don't have the same content as most rap and actually being able to sing. Ty Dolla can actually sing but his content at times .

Yep, no class at all in black music period. No artists that exude what a "real man" is

 

[PhonZhi]

why do artists need to sell a persona for their talent to be recognized?

Not necessarily about "talent" to me. I recognize that Chris Brown and Trey Songz are both highly talented. Robin Thicke,who i mentioned as an alcoholic cheater is too. Its more about the music being "authentic" to me. Rihanna, for example is nothing but a puppet. Her music isn't real to me. Its not from her heart and soul. People write the music for her and they tell her how to sing it.The music isn't really "her". Same applies to a Chris Brown. He's talented but i dont feel the music is who he really is when he's singing about love. When he's being raunchy and referring to women as "h0es & b1tches" i feel thats the true C.B

 

[PhonZhi]

I don't expect shyt from artists. I judge based on the product. John Lennon was an abusive a$$hole who beat his wife when drunk. Stevie Wonder out chea knocking up young girls. D'Angelo was an abusive drug addict. Prince was/is an a$$hole. Charles Mingus violently berated and attacked people including band members.

Music is full of artists who were shytty people. Some of the most talented artists were mad or unhinged. I'm not going to judge an artist based on their personal life - I'm going to judge them based on their actual art. Sometimes great art is birthed out of bad shyt. Think of all the drugs and violence that probably birthed your favorite classic albums.

You rite,thats why i would prefer to know as little about artists personal lives as possible. Its kinda like an underground rapper that becomes popular. For me, knowing too much and having alot of access into an artists personal life can be a turn-off. I like the mystery of not really knowing an artist