I reject Coli Anti-immigration sentiment towards African peoples as "tom petty" & counterproductive

[videogamestashbox.com]

<----- Thread started over 4 years ago 2018 end of 2017 and still relevant (un)fortunately​

UPDATE:

There is no issue with respectful discussions/disagreements

Trivializing the work that foundational black Americans put in that everyone benefits from = not allowed
mocking fba = not allowed
Calling someone a tether or disrespecting them SOLELY for them/their family not being from America = not allowed
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As an African American I reject Coli Anti-immigration sentiment towards African peoples as "tom petty" & counterproductive​

There has been intermittent talk surrounding...​

• DACA Immigration issues(specifically illegal in kind)​
• The primacy of "descendants of slaves" as relates to access to resources within the U.S.(basically regurgitated talking points from Antonio Moore & Yvette Carnell)​
• The extent to which African Americans "descendants of slaves" should engage in action as regards DACA(basically regurgitated talking points(#HYON) from Tariq Nasheed)​

• When Yvette goes into her socialist grab bag and start doing Marxist-Leninist"class analysis" etc etc I tune out. I don't subscribe Hegel-Marxist-Leninist analytical frame works to process aspects of social phenomena.​
• Antonio Moore I've actually sent him a message via youtube(he didn't answer) detailing my issues with the way he defines/uses "wealth" in his analysis.​

After not getting an answer to my objections/exceptions to his thought process I cut them out of my cognitive circle by and large. ​

First off, any position I give is through the matrix of the position that we should be pushing to build our own as opposed to looking for cacs to "give" us.
With that said, In general I hold the same position as Booker T Washington
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"Africans in America had not yet received anything free yet had toiled on it's soil, and so if Africans abroad had a chance at opportunity afforded by their African brethren in America, they should be more than welcome."
- Booker T Washington, 1915


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Our ancestors already fought this fight.
Immigration Act of 1917 - Wikipedia​

The U.S. already tried to exclude other "African Peoples" from the U.S. ...and by extension access to the spoils of what the "descendants of slaves" fought for. Those same "descendants of slaves" successfully fought back against those attempts by the government. Put another way, access to the spoils of our fight ...has been part of our fight.​

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Now the position can be made ...​

• "well, they were wrong"​
• To which I say "....ok"​
• Change the laws / culture then.​

But understand that the current configuration where African people throughout the world can come to the U.S. and have access to the same spoils as "descendants of slaves" is the deliberate product of our ancestors fighting for it to be that way. ...and people who value that "product" like myself and others will fight you on it ​

 

[Turk]

 

[BigMan]

Hold your own nuts

 

[JadeB]

@videogamestashbox.com

Extremely simplified cliff notes, please?

 

[2stainz]

Lets help racist cacs Make America White Again smart dumb coli militants

 

[MostReal]

We've done the work for everyone, they have enjoyed the fruits of our labor. we have to start doing more work for us now. We've lost our footing, once regained we can start branching out to others again

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

We've done the work for everyone, they have enjoyed the fruits of our labor. we have to start doing more work for us now. We've lost our footing, once regained we can start branching out to others again

Actually our ancestors were focused on "us" and gave an excellent example of what that looked like.

Our ancestors spent energy on African peoples ...not with Asians, Southern Europeans, etc...

Immigration Act of 1917 - Wikipedia
Chinese Exclusion Act - Wikipedia
Immigration Act of 1924 - Wikipedia

Our ancestors didn't spend time worried about the above ...only African peoples​

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

Lets help racist cacs Make America White Again smart dumb coli militants

What really makes me laugh about the make america white again is the folks who go on about...

• Biracials aint black...
• White folks don't accept half breeds why should we...
• etc etc etc

Ignorant arguments people make that completely ignores that one of the main avenues of maintaining "whiteness" is by absorbing populations previously considered non-white.

I didn't even get to that part yet ....as I keep saying these people keep using these very politically/historically shallow reasons to proclaim "fukk biracials" I've been in deep study for over a decade. When I hear these people, historical/political example after example pops to mind that I know they don't know about when constructing their statement ...but I can't be mad because I also know that unless you take it upon your self to learn these things the system won't teach you

My current favorite is mestizos classifying themselves as white....
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......but they don't know this history so they go on and on with these ridiculous statements after ridiculous statements that are ignorant to panafricanist history and politics.

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

Hold your own nuts

Ok lets have that convo
Even if Tariqs regurgitations were agreed upon the question of defining the limits of "your" still remains.

Our ancestors clearly considered "your" to be inclusive of the global African population while excluding non Africans.

 

[AndroidHero]

They gonna ignore this thread.

 

[75 Others]

We should be saving up on our dough and heading to Africa anyways

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

They gonna ignore this thread.

Wouldn't be surprised

Although I'm not too worried. I've gotten to the point where typically I don't wish to argue with people.
If I see something or a trend that moves me I just make a dedicated post stating my position on that topic and if folks engage, ok ...if not, ok also


EDIT:
Put another way I rather spend time constructing an alternative position than spend time telling someone else why their position is wrong.

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

Good thread. So basically because our ancestors fought to allow blacks from other countries to come here, we should embrace that even though it's been proven that it's to our own detriment . Correct me if I'm wrong brother.

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

Good thread. So basically because our ancestors fought to allow blacks from other countries to come here, we should embrace that even though it's been proven that it's to our own detriment . Correct me if I'm wrong brother.

Before we start the term "detriment" has to be clarified.

I could finesse "detriment" to mean anything from a guy buying the last pair of Nikes in my size to the guy who steals my entire wardrobe out my home. In both cases I've been put at a "disadvantage" but there is a huge gulf in severity between the two.

Likewise there is a huge difference between something like say ...a person not going to the university they want and a person not going to university at all. There is damn near noone in this country who can't continue their education after H.S. I could care less about someone coming to this country from Africa or Caribbean to further their education and as a result an AA possibly ends up not going to the specific school of their choice(any person who wants to go to school for teaching, physical therapy, engineering, etc I guarantee you can go ...promise).

As a result it's not enough to list something as a "detriment" it has to be "suitably severe" as well.

I say that to say this....

• The achievements African peoples gain for themselves in this country I'm proud of and happy for them.
• No achievements of those people show to be of severe detriment to African Americans.
• Most importantly those achievements have been deliberately engineered by our ancestors to be available to them.

Ok now we can start ​

I've actually already created a context for your question in the OP.

First off, any position I give is through the matrix of the position that we should be pushing to build our own as opposed to looking for cacs to "give" us.

And the answer to your specific question was also answered in the OP

Now the position can be made ...

• "well, they were wrong"
• To which I say "....ok"
• Change the laws / culture then.

But understand that the current configuration where African people throughout the world can come to the U.S. and have access to the same spoils as "descendants of slaves" is the deliberate product of our ancestors fighting for it to be that way. ...and people who value that "product" like myself and others will fight you on it

NOTE:
That being stated it's a great question you bring up because this is a common misunderstanding/issue.
(not just in relation to this question but any question revolving around culture, tradition, and ancestors)

I'm going to continue on the specific question...

"because our ancestors fought to allow [insert cultural proclivity here], we should embrace that"?

...in a followup post. Actually it deserves it's own thread

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

Put this in another thread and decided it would be a good addition to this one also. ​

In relation to the topic:(Repost)
I will say this tho, my position on the topic has been pretty much the same since before I came to thecoli ...partly because of fukkery seen prior on nairaland.com, other sites, and general African history.

• We are alike in some of the best and worst ways(tho thats humanity really)
• I see that c00n shyt goes internally and externally in every group(very obvious on nairaland)
• I can find cool people and pieces of shyt in every group
• I Build with people of like mind & politic, while letting the c00ns fall off

Put simply my panafricanist politics outweigh slights from random people (in)external to my ethnic/racial group ...no that doesn't mean they should "get away with" slights either. If for no other reason than those slights have real world consequences when people filter their political views and logic through the emotional baggage born of those slights

Generic Example:
If the political goal is to take the hill

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• I'm not going to scrap that goal because of random artillery rounds falling short resulting in fratricide
• I'm not going to scrap that goal because of random air strikes being miscalculated resulting in fratricide
• I'm not going to scrap that goal because of random troops fighting at the barracks resulting in bad blood and mistrust
• I'm certainly not going to scrap that goal because of random troops "talking shyt" among each other!!!

The solution to the above would be tailored to those specific issues. I'm going to push...

• Guidelines for distance to cover from designated strike targets, delays on strikes between request & volley
• Guidelines for MP/Judicial system to adjudicate internal fights along with an investigative team to look for structural causes
• New training guidelines that accounts for the above issues, targeted at soldiers coming down the pipeline

But what I'm not going to do is scrap/jeopardize the overarching multi generational political goal...

...unless the enemy stops us first.
(Repeat: "Put simply my panafricanist politics outweigh slights from random people (in)external to my ethnic/racial group")


Edit : I put c00ning Africans, Caribbeans, etc. in the same bucket as a Jessie lee Peterson, Sheriff David Clarke, Larry Elder, Judge Clarence Thomas, etc ...and keep it moving.​