If GOAT status could be rated by spirit/soul

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Pac would win and nobody would ever be able to get close. He's already a legend (dead and alive), top selling, chart topping, infamous, classic album/single having MC. So we could add anybody with those statistical attributes to the debate. Nas, Eminem, Jay-Z, Ye ect. If you just take all the tangible stats away and ask yourself who had the greatest spirit and soul in the game it would be Pac hands down. If you even compare the others you'd realize they probably have a :scusthov: or :demonic:spirit/soul.....or it's not really noticeable or you can't really tell.

The point is that what you can measure can be endlessly debated, categorized and manipulated to suit your point of view. Soul can only be felt and even tho Hov' is my personal GOAT I really can count the times on one hand I've really ever felt his soul come through the music. I'm not talking about him spitting classic lines over a soulful beat. Same thing with Ye (even though he'd be a far 2nd) because even though I hear raw emotion mixed with passion, it's not the same as hearing soul come through.

To really have a respectable opinion in the context of this conversation you have to let go of all the rating systems we use to measure and calculate success in a game. Hip Hop is not the game. The game started making artists players and then made everybody think Hip Hop is an industry. Hip Hop is rooted in soul and vice versa so the criteria for greatness can't ignore this factor. Like I said, we can still factor in the sales, chart toppers, income, social circles, labels, classics....but at the end of the day which MC made you feel him. That is a skill. That is the ultimate skill when it comes to immorality of hip hop.
 
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This is so subjective though. Every rapper (at least from the 80s/90s) has soul in their music. Hip hop is one of the most expressive genres
 

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Hm...I could definitely see why you would name KRS...I'm not so sure about Ghost...KRS is higher up there than Ghost

KRS embodies the spirit.....every line you can just hear the essence. I was going to put him in the original post but I was pushing the thread in the direction of the common GOAT contenders.

This is so subjective though. Every rapper (at least from the 80s/90s) has soul in their music. Hip hop is one of the most expressive genres

It is subjective, but at least the criteria could be examined on a deeper level. Like I said Hov' is my flagship, allaround GOAT, but in the context of this argument/debate he loses....he's not even close. If most people really valued soul I'm sure their GOATS wouldn't rank as high either.
 

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What's crazy is Pac and KRS are my actual GOATS too. Would be interesting to make a normal GOAT list then one based on this to compare, I know mine would ultimately differ drastically.
 

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Some people that jump out to me also are...

Brother Ali
Last Emperor
Rakim
Nas
K-Rino
Big Pun
Fat Joe
AZ
Slick Rick
Bizzy Bone (he's definitely high up somewhere)
Guru
Scarface
Z-Ro
Chuck D
Cormega
Tragedy Khadafi
Lauryn Hill
Queen Latifah
Beanie Sigel
RZA
Shyne

That's a few off the top that I think of.
 

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WOW I've heard it all now. I kinda get what you saying, but how the fukk you gonna rate a nikkas soul?
 
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