If Rubio doesn't get the nomination, the GOP effed up

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It’s Rubio Or Bust For Republicans Who Want To Win
By DAVID WASSERMAN

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A mediocre high school athlete of non-American parentage leaves his palm-tree-lined hometown to bounce between multiple colleges, eventually earning a political science degree and attending law school.

He begins his political career in an area dominated by an urban machine. After serving eight years in a state legislature and lecturing at a local college, he decides to launch a long-shot campaign for the U.S. Senate. His intra-party opposition starts out with far more money and includes a vaunted statewide official. But he excites partisans fed up with the status quo in the primary and capitalizes on a bizarrely fractured opposition in the fall, becoming an overnight celebrity in his party.

He frequently talks about his parents’ dreams while speaking at party get-togethers, but he grows restless in his first term and, like most freshmen, compiles few notable legislative accomplishments. A few years into the job, his party retakes the Senate majority. Nevertheless, just a few months later, he launches an uphill presidential bid while still in his mid-40s.

At first, pundits dismiss his prospects because his party’s front-runner is an immediate family member of the previous president, with the ability to raise $100 million and roots in his home state. But his raw oratorical talent and a pervasive anti-dynasty sentiment help him win a drawn-out, seemingly endless primary slog.

In November, his opponent is more than two decades older and had lost a race for the White House eight years before. He capitalizes on the nation’s mood for change after a two-term president of the other party, claiming a historic victory.

his is the story of Barack Obama, but it could also be the story of Marco Rubio. The striking parallels between the two, beyond the obvious ethnic barrier-breaking nature of their candidacies, make Democratic strategists terrified to face Rubio in the fall. Yet the notion that Rubio is the “Republican Obama” also makes some GOP voters hesitant to support him.

There are a lot of complex analyses of the 2016 election floating around. My own theory is quite straightforward: If Hillary Clinton is the nominee — and she remains a heavy favorite over Bernie Sanders — her fate largely rests with Republican voters’ decisions over the next few months.

If Republicans nominate Rubio, they would have an excellent chance to beat Clinton by broadening their party’s appeal with moderates, millennials and Latinos. The GOP would also have an excellent chance to keep the Senate, hold onto a wide margin in the House and enjoy more control of federal government than they have in over a decade.

If they nominate Ted Cruz, Clinton would probably win, the GOP Senate majority would also be in peril and GOP House losses could climb well into the double digits. A Donald Trump nomination would not only make Clinton’s election very likely and raise the odds of a Democratic Senate; it could force down-ballot Republicans to repudiate Trump to survive, increase pressure on a center-right candidate to mount an independent bid and split the GOP asunder.

In other words, if you’re a member of the Republican Party who wants to win in November, it’s basically Rubio or bust. The “Rubio or bust” theory relies on a process of elimination rather than an assessment of his biography, skills or ground game.

There are seven Republican candidates polling above 5 percent in Iowa, New Hampshire or nationally. Three of them — John Kasich, Chris Christie and Jeb Bush — are competing for moderate GOP voters in New Hampshire, but their appeal remains so tepid with conservative Republicans who dominate most other primaries that they lack a plausible path to the nomination.

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On the other hand, Trump and Cruz are more popular with conservative Republicans. But either could turn into the most disastrous GOP presidential nominee since 1964. Surveys conducted by NBC News and The Wall Street Journal in December and January tested Clinton against Trump, Cruz and Rubio among “swing” demographic groups — the groups that typically decide who wins key battleground states. Although polls that test general election matchups this far from Election Day (particularly before the nominees have been chosen) haven’t always been predictive, the relative differences between the candidates are telling; the “electability gap” between Rubio and Trump/Cruz was quite obvious:

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Cruz certainly fares better than Trump, outperforming Clinton among two of these seven groups while Trump loses all of them. But unlike Trump and Clinton, Cruz hasn’t been the subject of years-long media coverage, and many voters still don’t know him. Democrats salivate at the prospect of defining him as the architect of the GOP’s government shutdown who personally showed up to cheer Kim Davis’s defiance of the Supreme Court’s same-sex marriage ruling.

Ben Carson wasn’t tested in the NBC/WSJ matchups, but his poor grasp of foreign policy and bizarre statements1 have written a ready-made script for Democrats to argue that he’s well out of the mainstream and in way over his head.

That leaves Rubio. It’s true that he can sound overly rehearsed, and hismachismo can come off as trying too hard. After launching his campaign with a theme of a “new American century,” Rubio has realized that he needs to be more confrontational to woo angry conservatives. But unlike Trump, Carson and Cruz, he hasn’t done or said anything that Democrats could use to flat-out disqualify him in the eyes of swing voters.

If anything, Rubio has plenty of general election upside.

It’s hard to imagine Clinton matching the share of Latino voters that Obama won in 2012, 71 percent, against a Spanish-speaking son of immigrants who supported a bipartisan immigration reform bill. It’s also hard to imagine Clinton matching Obama’s 60 percent among 18-to-29-year-olds against a candidate two decades younger than she is. Finally, unlike in 2012, Democrats wouldn’t have the luxury of portraying the GOP nominee as a corporate robber baron who has never walked in voters’ shoes.

The stark differences between the leading GOP contenders’ appeal in a general election mean that Republican chances in 2016 may not depend so much on Clinton’s popularity. It may be time for Republicans to be more concerned with their own candidates’ electability than Clinton’s favorability, which has slid markedly over the past year.

American Crossroads, a well-funded super PAC guided, in part, by Karl Rove and dedicated to electing a Republican president and Congress in the fall, has largely existed as a stand-in entity to attack Clinton while Republican candidates fight among themselves in the primaries. But its resources might be better spent attacking Trump and Cruz. Astoundingly, Trump has not yet been the target of a sustained negative ad campaign.

Days before the Iowa caucuses, the Republican Party is on the verge of self-destruction. Between now and June, GOP voters will have to decide whether they want to prolong their catharsis or elect a president. Unless Republicans ditch the field altogether and nominate House Speaker Paul Ryan at a contested convention, it’s Rubio or bust.

It’s Rubio Or Bust For Republicans Who Want To Win


Thoughts? I'm thinking he's probably right...I just can't see Cruz or Trump winning the general at all.
 

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well republicans need to win ohio and/or florida... so whoever they nominate needs to be able to deliver those states.... i think kasich can deliver ohio.... rubio or bush can deliver florida.... cruz i don't see being able to win either....

but it is actually trump who scares me more than rubio.... trump is a wildly popular celebrity in a nation fascinated by celebrities... everything he does, no matter how crass or ignorant, only makes his supporters love him more and his popularity increase.... in a country whose residents have the attention span of a fruit fly, trump could win the imagination of a nation...... ..... .... ... .. .
 

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well republicans need to win ohio and/or florida... so whoever they nominate needs to be able to deliver those states.... i think kasich can deliver ohio.... rubio or bush can deliver florida.... cruz i don't see being able to win either....

but it is actually trump who scares me more than rubio.... trump is a wildly popular celebrity in a nation fascinated by celebrities... everything he does, no matter how crass or ignorant, only makes his supporters love him more and his popularity increase.... in a country whose residents have the attention span of a fruit fly, trump could win the imagination of a nation...... ..... .... ... .. .

The thing about Trump though, is that I just CAN'T see him winning the general election. Republicans might like him but I can't see him getting swing voters at all. And his numbers among Hispanics would probably be even lower than Romney's.

Rubio on the other hand can pretend to be moderate when it suits him and might be able to get some of the Hispanic vote just off GP.

We'd be the laughingstock of the world if Trump actually got elected president. :wow:
 

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The thing about Trump though, is that I just CAN'T see him winning the general election. Republicans might like him but I can't see him getting swing voters at all. And his numbers among Hispanics would probably be even lower than Romney's.

Rubio on the other hand can pretend to be moderate when it suits him and might be able to get some of the Hispanic vote just off GP.

We'd be the laughingstock of the world if Trump actually got elected president. :wow:
i hope you are right about trump..... rubio i think actually has potential to be a good president, but only with a democratic senate and house.... that's not likely to happen if he gets elected this year though, as republicans already hold the senate and house.... i can see rubio's appeal in the general and can see him delivering florida, a state republicans need to win the white house....
 

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I would say Cruz would be the more dangereous candidate. Rubio is the establishment choice but he isn't motivating voters. However, Cruz would motivate republicans to get out. Cruz is also relatively intelligent and sharp. He would pose trouble for whoever is the democratic nominee. Also right now Cruz is behind donald trump in Iowa Polling.
 

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I would say Cruz would be the more dangereous candidate. Rubio is the establishment choice but he isn't motivating voters. However, Cruz would motivate republicans to get out. Cruz is also relatively intelligent and sharp. He would pose trouble for whoever is the democratic nominee. Also right now Cruz is behind donald trump in Iowa Polling.
Yea but it doesn't look like Cruz can shake trump as long as he says he's Canadian and a anchor baby. It's amazing how the rethugs are using those same tactics against each other now

You know this sh!t hurts him inside and might follow him to Texas
 

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rubio cant possibly win nationally either. the only one who could get broad support outside of the usual GOP demo is rand paul - which is why he is doing so terribly in the primary. this party is simply not set up for a diverse electorate.
 
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